I actually agree with your first sentiment. I totally abide by the game is fun with friends theory. This is shared not only in FFXIV but in other games as well. And while a game is fun when played with friends, it doesn't mean that game is good. So while the OP said fun is subjective, which is true, that doesn't make it good either. (good also being subjective I understand, however if a game is only good with friends you can't help but wonder...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidu
The problem is, at least for me, FFXIV's base gameplay is too slow for endless mob grinds. If it was action based, I wouldn't mind it in the slightest. I play dynasty warrior and like games for days. Endless mob killing? sign me up! However with how slow FFXIV gameplay is.....its not fun in the slightest....And I'm bothered it had to be delayed in order to implement it as it is now.
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03-16-2018, 02:32 AMsilverlunarfox
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03-16-2018, 03:23 AMReplicaXWhich goes back to a feature that has been asked for since Crystal Tower was released. Give us the ability to create parties of 4 or 8 and alliance them together to do this type of content and 24man raids.... It gives more incentive for friends and FCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
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03-16-2018, 03:35 AMMoonliteI think you fall on the to much credit side. They can't even count how many players login and how many instances they need. It has happened multiple times now and they just let players suffer. Do you think the instance problem will be fixed before 5.0. Or will we get another set of MSQ where players bottle neck because they can't count players and instances? Or after reading the well written post about the exploited bug. It is pretty obvious why the bots don't truly get punished. It slides onto a desk with to much work and if they can't explain why it happens they aren't cheating. They had a better grasp of cheating in 11 when they use to move fishing bots with GMs and see how they reacted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe777
The only time they make much effort is when they start to get bad publicity. Housing has been multiple lies and a problem since day one. They only did something lat time after a bunch of MMO sites reported it was bad. They only did something about foreign price policy after steam and other review sites started to tank.
This is not even getting into the content. It is what it is. It is to subjective to many different desires to balance. So they get a pass on that. Not everyone is going to be happy. -
03-16-2018, 06:47 AMakaneakkiTell me what you find fun in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallera
What you said last line sure thing, but we also talk about the stuff that's happening in the game too. We laugh when someone keeps getting aggro and dies, we love it when we get cool items we been grinding for etc. Do I have fun with strangers? Sure thing, in fact I added 4 of them into my discord server last night because they happened to enjoy playing with me too. People don't wanna grind but same time they don't wanna clear content that actually gives them higher ilvl, why? Effort, paying attention to the screen, actually playing? You can never satisfy MMO players in many ways. It's either too much grind or absoluttely nothing to do after the grind fest been happening too fast. You can tell me what you find fun and be realistic about it, asuming you would want some of it to happen in the game? And I've done it many times with strangers and still find it fun. It's grindy`Sure, but I also played plenty of games both online and offline to grind to get myself things i want. Maybe it's the fact I've done it so many times before or simply because I'm not spoiled enough to get things handed at me for no reason? You tell me.Quote:
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03-16-2018, 06:53 AMWhite_Wolf_X
Bet not even the devs who made it can explain why it took so long.
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03-16-2018, 07:27 AMViduSince you're implying that my complains are based on wanting things handed to me, let me make one thing clear: I absolutly do not mind a grind. I have finished 3 ARR and HW relics - all from scratch, all when they were current content. I farmed for all ponies, all birds and while I'm having pretty bad luck when it comes to those stupid dogs, I am continuing my mission there. (I guess my brain wanted to protect me from thise, so I forgot to mention it: I got BOTH freaking Yokai-mounts! You know, the terrible, terrible FATE-grind things. And I dont even like the look of them! My PvP-level was at 50 when PvP was rather dead content and queuetimes over an hour normal...) I have basically every job at 70 (except for monk... and leftovers for dragoon and ast). My little casual-semi-static is progressing at Savage atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
Actually, the first game I've ever played - Pokemon Red - I grinded the hell out of that. The first Final Fantasy game I touched was 10 - and my last savegame there has about 300 hours, most of them spend with grinding for exp and money to grind for more exp. My other major hobby besides videogames is cross stitching - I can easly pour 80+ hours into just one project.
Please understand that I do not expect things being handed to me.
I do, however, expect to be entertained by a videogame - a fight like Shinryu EX for example does that for me because its actually keeping me engaged, makes me pay attention and react to things happening. I find that content both enjoyable with my friends aswell as with (skilled) strangers.
Now, Eureka on the other hand: The core-element of the fight in there is utterly boring to me, because, lets face it: the combat system of FFXIV isnt that fun to begin with. You hit your rota and be done with it. The mechanics of a fight like Shinryu and dealing with them are what makes the content engaging and fun (at least to me - sorry, pressing 1-2-3 and then 4-5-6 and then back to 1-2-3 and maybe 7, 8, 9 in between is not fun).
Eureka basically has non of those. NM might have some mechanics to them, but you need to keep in mind that you're gonna spend most of your time there not fighting NM but the normal mobs with a cone-AoE at best.
I had fun doing exploring bits and the quests for Krile - at least the ones I got to do so far because I realised: In order to play enjoyable content, I need to put in hours of boring, dull grind. I dont need to put in effort to get item-rewards, I need to put in effort to get fun-content-rewards. And thats wrong, sorry.
I understand that the social aspect of the game is a major fun - makes sense with an MMO after all. And I also understand that specially FFXI-nostalgia-people might wanted something like this back - except they forgot that chatting was possible with FFXI-combat, but not with what we've got here.
But content still needs to be fun or enjoyable without that social aspect - it can be more fun with people around, for sure. It most certainly always will be!
But it has to work as game, by itself, before that.
If "please, give me something fun to do in Eureka because beating up the same monster over and over again isnt" equals "you just want stuff handed to you!" I dont know what to tell you.
Give me fun content.
Or at least give me some variety.
Give me a choice and more than one way to achieve my goal.
For Eureka for example:
Give me daily explore missions to find certain spots. Give me a hint that if I kill one particular mob, I can get extra loot. Let me find or stumble over treasure chests or maybe a logbook, explaining something about Eureka. Give me a labyrinth with puzzles to solve. Make me pull a certain mob to a certain spot and kill it there, to open a secret door.
Just... let me do something beside chain-pulling-braindead-grind. The content makes me want to watch a movie because by itself its just so, so boring - but at the same time it just requires enough attention that I cant even do that. Eureka doesnt make me pay attention to the screen because there is something fun and engaging happen but because I might pull another mob by accident. I want to look at the screen and pay attention to it! But the game needs to give me something actually worth looking at and paying attention to, if you understand what I mean?
I do not mind a grind in general - absolutly not.
I do however mind a boring grind - more so one for, at this point, outdated rewards. Granted, the carrot might be worth it to you and I hope the enjoyment you get out of it, is enough for you.
I told you what I would find fun now and I'd say I've been pretty realistic about it - because: basically thats more than just zerging down monster over and over again.
I dont want to have to rely on people - wether its strangers or friends - to distract me from how boring the core-aspect of Eureka is. -
03-16-2018, 07:52 AMVstarstruckLAMO ya I can play DW too, never thought of it like that.Quote:
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03-16-2018, 08:34 AMKalleraI enjoyed the hell out of palace of the dead. used to do raiding, but got burned out on it. Right now I'm into rp and doing things with friends. That's definitely keeping me playing more than any single content.Quote:
Originally Posted by akaneakki
Other than rp and potd I can't find one specific thing I can point to and say "that will always be fun for me", because eventually the grind reduces it to a paste, if it isn't a thing I hate outright. Am I going to keep trying Eureka? Perhaps, it has lockboxes, but its leaving a bad first impression for me with the relic, it looks and plays like dino island, and I have reservations about sticking this out and giving the high levels a chance for I355 GEAR.
They said it wouldn't be like Diadem, yet it is. That it is based on the wishes of those that played ffxi, yet I'm just, I can't see this having a good future, stacked with relic as it is. -
03-16-2018, 11:13 AMHyperia
My speculation is that FFVII:R is over budget, behind schedule and is needing way more resources than they anticipated. The resources are not being released fast enough by the FFXV team because they are milking it with DLCs. Resources are being redirected from XIV to VII:R, simple as that. This would explain why we are seeing so few innovations, so little content and the best way to silence Yoshi is to promote him, which they did. Now that he is on the board, they can make high level decisions and even though he may object, as a board member, he must remain silent if he disagrees with a decision as they all move in lockstep once a decision is made.
Think of it this way, when was the last time you saw Yoshi smile? Dress up in his silly outfits? Weeks, months... over a year? He knows what is going on and he cant say a thing, but he can express it with his face as they cant control that. There is no joy in his face as of late and when was the last time you saw a community moderator join a discussion? its as if they have all disappeared, they used to talk a lot.
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03-16-2018, 11:24 AMZeonxWell lets see they wont release Star Ocean Second evolution to the West on ps4 and star ocean games are better in 2D and even that is a classic probably would of sold well over here also, I would of gotten it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperia
Even if they were to remaster the star ocean for SNES and put it on ps4 i would buy it.
I am tired of HD high quality graphics the final fantasy series might have gotten away with it but not other RPG's
So if they have money issues blame it on that.
Ps4 is dying for 2D rpg games but everyone seems to be on the graphics train its sickening
Tell you this I busted out my old 2D rpg games and my cousin never played them at all and said they were better than the current games of today.