Dark Knight 4.2 Preliminary notes Feedback

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

This suggestion needs to stop being brought up be everyone and their uncle. Anyone who makes it clearly fails to understand that dropping 4,800 MP on a party wide TBN would be a DPS loss regardless of how you use it. It's a bad idea, one of the worst ideas that keeps getting thrown around constantly, when Dark Knight doesn't necessarily need party utility, it just needs to have an identity.

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This, so much this; I'd make it a wooden sign board with this quote and go on a slapping spree every time someone keeps bringing up party TBN with dark arts.

Key word for DRK is identity, which they lack much of it. Dark Arts at this point looks like a crutch rather than a game-play element. DRKs mitigation is limited to one skill that, amazing as it is, its too much focus on one skill.

Its just overall absurd that the dev team can't see these things are not "fun". But, again, with SE ignorance is bliss alright.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

This, so much this, I'd make it a wooden sign board with this quote and go on a slapping spree every time someone keeps bringing up party TBN with dark arts.

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The one I hate seeing repeated over and over is Scourge as a combo ender. That will not end well for DRK at all because you'd end up clipping it or letting it fall off due to the Blood Gauge making their combos randomly have an additional GCD.

Maybe they could make DA TBN not have an MP cost to sort it out. Make it so single target TBN is the 20% HP shield on the DRK and 10% on anyone else, and the raid wide one be lower for balance, like 5%.

There would be times where the regular one would be best due to the stronger shield (tankbusters) and times where the DA is better (raidwides).

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The tanking balance is so outta wack its NOT even funny anymore.

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Name a period when it WAS funny. One way way or another tank balance always was screwed.

SB tank balance is like HW tank balance a big mess.DRK is going to get buff on odd patch yet again i hope this time they gonna fix core issue of this Job.Im annoyed my fav tank as gone a to be meme.

SB tank balance >>> HW tank balance. DRK lacks some blablablah but not to the level of HW PLDs, when PF savage parties simply excluded PLD.

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

The one I hate seeing repeated over and over is Scourge as a combo ender. That will not end well for DRK at all because you'd end up clipping it or letting it fall off due to the Blood Gauge making their combos randomly have an additional GCD.

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Considering they are dumbing down dots to 30s, it wouldn't be an issue unless it gets the Higanbana treatment with their favorite DA crutch.

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Maybe they could make DA TBN not have an MP cost to sort it out. Make it so single target TBN is the 20% HP shield on the DRK and 10% on anyone else, and the raid wide one be lower for balance, like 5%.

There would be times where the regular one would be best due to the stronger shield (tankbusters) and times where the DA is better (raidwides).

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This would be a loss overall still. And considering the DA crutch, there's little chance to see it not costing the 4.8k MP without adding another button to buff the shield.

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Originally Posted by MahoSenshi

SB tank balance >>> HW tank balance. DRK lacks some blablablah but not to the level of HW PLDs, when PF savage parties simply excluded PLD.

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Oh its true that its not as bad as HWs PLD treatment. Doesn't take away that the job has gotten menial changes that don't really boost their performance considering their current design mantra.

"Maybe next patch."

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Originally Posted by InfiniDragon

Maybe they could make DA TBN not have an MP cost to sort it out. Make it so single target TBN is the 20% HP shield on the DRK and 10% on anyone else, and the raid wide one be lower for balance, like 5%.

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If DRK needs raid mitigation, they could just make TBN procs reduce cd on Reprisal by 5 seconds or something, so they can use their old skill more often than other tanks. Increase dmg on Bloodspiller on top of that, so there's actually an incentive to use it outside of MTing. That way you not only give DRK more utility without introducing yet another raid shield, you also give them back their counter-attack identity.

Both PLD and SCH already have unique synergies with cross role skills so it's not like there's no precedent for that.

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Originally Posted by MahoSenshi

Name a period when it WAS funny. One way way or another tank balance always was screwed.

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the screams of 3.0 PLD still haunt me to this day

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Considering they are dumbing down dots to 30s, it wouldn't be an issue unless it gets the Higanbana treatment with their favorite DA crutch.

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Nah, it would suck. If you had to Bloodspiller to not cap Blood but Scourge was falling off you have to either cap on Blood or let Scourge fall off until you fired off BS. Or pre-emptively re-up Scourge to avoid it instead of SE.

Scourge would only work with 4.0 DRK as a stand alone DOT that doesn't break combo like Touch of Death on old MNK. Which is what SE just went through troubles to remove from the game.