PF's exclude SCH made by other Healers

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

The top 5 speed runs for susano ex and the top 4 speed runs for lakshmi all use sch and ast...sch can't be that bad.

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SCH has very decent single target DPS, and chain Strategem, an incredibly strong skill when you look at how CRIT dependent most jobs are this expansion.

Compare that to WHMs personal DPS, and lilies....It just isn't appealing at all.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Really? I don't recall ever seeing the problem on Exodus then. Hell, I don't see people wanting the meta right now, just that you're able to clear it. It could be the time of day I'm on though, I'm usually doing this stuff from 9PM EST to around 2AM EST. Meaning 6PM to 11PM PST.

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It's definitely not a rampant issue like the WHM thing was for Alexander but I see a few each day.

However, it'll eventually get worse as these things tend to do.

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Originally Posted by IhzaMhaskova

It's definitely not a rampant issue like the WHM thing was for Alexander but I see a few each day.

However, it'll eventually get worse as these things tend to do.

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SCH will be fine after the buffs. It basically addresses everything but their MP issues. I'm more worried for WHM now. They seem so appealing because SCH in comparison wasn't good. Now that they're back up, we're looking at chain Strategem vs lilies, and that isn't going to end well.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

SCH will be fine after the buffs. It basically addresses everything but their MP issues. I'm more worried for WHM now. They seem so appealing because SCH in comparison wasn't good. Now that they're back up, we're looking at chain Strategem vs lilies, and that isn't going to end well.

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I don't care much for Lilies as a WHM player myself except in dungeons. Imo it's not even worth discussing because SE is content with little to no significance on the job gauge for WHM, just to keep its simple but effective class design.

Personal thoughts? WHM's healing is also as top notch as ever. No one can match WHM's various healing utilities and their powerful raw healing, making them a unique class imo. SCH's Chain Strategem is nice to tip the scales of the otherwise underwhelming class; it brings SCH a unique utility to the table and instead of competing for it, it's best to synergize with WHM / AST instead!

Right, on the topic? To AST players, learn both Diurnal or Nocturnal for adaptability if possible. But if they're stuck with Nocturnal, I guess it'd be fine. After all, they're only but one of many healers out there, so cheer up and be hopeful that you'll find a group that will accept you. <3

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Originally Posted by Lyrai_Celestine

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As a WHM main I'm good with Lilies.

I only wish Divine Benison wasn't locked behind them.

With the Thin Air, Presence of Mind, and Shroud of Saints (I refuse to call it Lucid Dreaming) we have an amazing trio of abilities when used together.

The MP regen alone with Thin Air and Shroud of Saints is worth bringing a WHM.

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Originally Posted by IhzaMhaskova

As a WHM main I'm good with Lilies.

I only wish Divine Benison wasn't locked behind them.

With the Thin Air, Presence of Mind, and Shroud of Saints (I refuse to call it Lucid Dreaming) we have an amazing trio of abilities when used together.

The MP regen alone with Thin Air and Shroud of Saints is worth bringing a WHM.

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You got that right~ Lucid Dreaming + Thin Air ensures your MP is back on high numbers no matter the intensity, which, by all means, I love SE for that, and the new skills are a welcome addition to our already good healing utilities.

I'd say the same for Divine Benison. It should be usable at all times because I could just use Divine Benison then Tetra, but not vice versa. It'll make a good QoL change.

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Originally Posted by Lyrai_Celestine

You got that right~ Lucid Dreaming + Thin Air ensures your MP is back on high numbers no matter the intensity, which, by all means, I love SE for that, and the new skills are a welcome addition to our already good healing utilities.

I'd say the same for Divine Benison. It should be usable at all times because I could just use Divine Benison then Tetra, but not vice versa. It'll make a good QoL change.

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What could solve this is a toggle for whether we want to or not use Lilies.

Make some toggle on a 1s cooldown like how Cleric Stance used to be.

(I know Cleric Stance was a 5s cooldown, I was just recommending a 1s.)