PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

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Originally Posted by Arrius

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Oh trust me, people would notice DPS (especially if they parse) doing poorly, especially if it's their main. I pay close attention to BLM's for example and if I see a double hardcast of Fire III, I'm gonna say something.
Healers should DPS when there's no damage happening on the tank and group (like the literal no damage phase against Diabolos in Dun Scaith. It bothers me when I see healers doing nothing and moreso when they use healing spells when no one needs it).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Oh trust me, people would notice DPS (especially if they parse) doing poorly, especially if it's their main. I pay close attention to BLM's for example and if I see a double hardcast of Fire III, I'm gonna say something.
Healers should DPS when there's no damage happening on the tank and group (like the literal no damage phase against Diabolos in Dun Scaith. It bothers me when I see healers doing nothing and moreso when they use healing spells when no one needs it).

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What bothers me more is we die because they don't heal fast enough too. All for not going not going in cleric and healing only... Oh well.

It's a bit unfortunate that they don't have some sort of system that allows us to do both at once as tanks do. Tanks contribute to dps as part of generating aggro. What if we could contribute to healing as we cast offensive abilities or added to dps with healing abilities? A damage shield/healing shield type of system could do something like this.

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Originally Posted by Raim

Once again Arrius. The problem with healer DPS isn't just about shaving minutes off of a dungeon run. Its about contribution. If the tank and DPS are pressing a button every GCD while you're standing there doing nothing for 10+ seconds because nobody needs healing, you're being lazy and not putting in as much effort as the others.

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Originally Posted by Taika

This is not true, these are two entirely separate issues. No one is saying healers should DPS to cover DDs' slack. What's being said is that healers should DPS because otherwise they're being much less inactive than any other roles (a healer can get by casting 1 heal every 20 seconds while tanks and DDs are using all of their GCDs - and then some).

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Also again - Damage made from healers is, and will remain, optional. They can choose if they want to or not.
If you want to throw them out because of it: Fine. Nothing lost on my back.
Just don't expect a quick replacement in dungeons when the expansion hits, as everyone wants to play the new classes. Same goes with the tank.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

What bothers me more is we die because they don't heal fast enough too. All for not going not going in cleric and healing only... Oh well.

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Get raised, wait for heal... still wait for heal... damage immunity is long gone, use Manaward and Manawall and hope for the best!

Just toss a Regen on the raised fellow or something :<

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

I dont care about that changes. lol

I still WONT dps when I play as HEALER in dungeons groups!

Why people think healer classes have to do 2 jobs and tank and dps classes only do 1 job..?

Once DPS's or Tanks has the same healspells healer has, only then I will DPS as healer in groups too! o_o

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This makes you the toxic player. You aren't inexperienced or new, you're just stubbornly refusing to contribute and prefer to stand around doing nothing. Healers don't have "two jobs," they are hybrids. No other job can get away with literally doing nothing. Would you be okay with a Paladin who only spams Flash or a Dragoon who doesn't feel like using Blood of the Dragoon?

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Also again - Damage made from healers is, and will remain, optional

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All damage added to meeting DPS check / preventing dungeon timer from running out is "optional", if you want to take that route. It's not required for DDs to use anything else but hit 1-2-3 to clear most content. Bard songs are also very "optional". So are both tank and DPS stance on tanks - you don't need them to win anything.

We all can do the bare minimum to survive, or we can try to be as useful as possible. This goes for all jobs, healers are not an exception in any way.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Also again - Damage made from healers is, and will remain, optional. They can choose if they want to or not.
If you want to throw them out because of it: Fine. Nothing lost on my back.
Just don't expect a quick replacement in dungeons when the expansion hits, as everyone wants to play the new classes. Same goes with the tank.

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So now you're pulling the "Good luck replacing me" card? It takes less than a minute to fill even tanks in missing spots.

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Originally Posted by Taika

All damage added to meeting DPS check / preventing dungeon timer from running out is "optional", if you want to take that route. It's not required for DDs to use anything else but hit 1-2-3 to clear most content. Bard songs are also very "optional". So are both tank and DPS stance on tanks - you don't need them to win anything.

We all can do the bare minimum to survive, or we can try to be as useful as possible. This goes for all jobs, healers are not an exception in any way.

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Remember, Taika. The devs apparently only scale the enmity combo for tank DPS when adjusting boss statistics. I guess it's perfectly acceptable for Warriors to spam their Butcher's Block combo and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Raim

So now you're pulling the "Good luck replacing me" card? It takes less than a minute to fill even tanks in missing spots.

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As said, I don't care.
I'll finish my tank first then offer dungeons runs for money, so they can be all lazy as they want as long I get paid.