it's not like they flip the game upside down on you and change it every couple of years. what was here at level 50 is still here now and what level 60 is built around. I am level 58 NIN right now and god is it boringQuote:
Originally Posted by Mature
you can never go full speed because of lazy prima donna tanks who will lose their shit and start acting like little bitches if you pull off them because they don't know how to hit AD/OP/Flash or manage their resources to do so, they are always turning everything everywhere so it's not even fun to try to do your best dps because of how fast DR on stuns run out since everyone has them in their rotation.
so you basically just sit there the whole time doing suboptimal DPS and asking yourself why you are even here
then you're like "oh yeah because grinding FATE in heavensward suuuuuuuuuuuuuckssss.... Even more than this"
someone gets itQuote:
All DPS feel the same, period. It is Rotation A in to rotation B in to Rotation C and back to A again, ad nausea. This is just on bosses too, who actually stand still for you to do those positionals. Don't even bother with trash pulls, just spam your classes best AoE, and try to keep awake while doing it.
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05-08-2017, 07:39 PMDelorean
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05-08-2017, 07:47 PMRuleofThreeI agree. I would even go so far as to say that all fighter games like this are boring and monotonous. You have your zone fighter, you body fighter, and so on. They all look fancy, but in the end, it's the same damn song and dance. But FFXIV takes it a step further, and not only makes it the same old song and dance, but makes it almost nearly the exact same, for every class. Hate all you want, but Bard and Machinist are perfect examples of this. Before you start in on the whole how they are different thing, let me concede that there are a few subtle nuances that you have to use in order to eek out the best for each build...but they ARE the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mature
Same moves. Same abilities. Same tactics. It's literally Bard 1.0 vs Bard 2.0. Clearly no effort to make them different.
I'm not defending the OP for claiming something he hasn't tried out, he doesn't have a foot to stand on there, other than he has made this assumption based on the information he has gathered, and - whether you believe it correct or not - sticks by that assumption. It's the exact same reason you are going to disagree with me for Bard 1.0 and Bard 2.0. You will argue so damn hard on how they are NOT the same, because you believe, based on facts and evidence that you have found, they aren't. More power too you.
The point still stands however, there is very little, to no deviation between the dps available. Stand on X side for y potency. Use x ability to apply y debuff. Use generic AoE to apply damage to everything. Other games may fall in to this at it's core..but at least they have diverse skill trees to use to make them at least 'feel' different.
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I will go even further, and say not only does this game make you feel like every class is the same (Cause they are, even tanks and healers. Take the time to look at their verbiage. Dark Knight Grit, and paladin Shield Oath? Did they just copy and paste the text and change a few words? This isn't the only example you'll find, either), but the game actually DISCOURAGES you from being different.
FFXIV: "Hey did you know you can allocate points to different stats when you level up?"
You: "No shit? I'm gonna give my White Mage more mana"
FFXIV: "Yea...don't do that."
You: "What? Why?"
FFXIV: "Cause the game kind of needs you to put it in mind."
You: "Oh...ok. Well..I'll put Strength on my warrior."
FFXIV: "Yea....again...no."
You: "You fucking serious?"
FFXIV: "Well...we give you some extra damage if you take VIT..and it makes you be the tank we want you to be. So...you should probably go VIT"
You: "Fucking christ...."
FFXIV: "But at least you can...wait...no...all equipment is the same too. But there is...no wait...abilities are pretty much the same too. Oh, but you can pick cross class abi-....no...you are kind of forced to take the same thing everyone else takes. But your name! Oh god yes, your name can be hella unique in this game! One of a kind! You will stand out SO HARD with your name."
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05-08-2017, 08:05 PMMatureBut you haven't reach level 60 so you really don't know or understand the change or what have changed but you saying is all the same as 50. That's why I gave you the Street Fighter V example the game itself is ALL the me since decades ago but got new extra combos with the SAME combos and actions it had for over the years. It's the same for FFXIV (and dare to say for all FF) HW got the same actions and rotation that ARR had BUT with new rotations and actions.... So it's not really the sameQuote:
it's not like they flip the game upside down on you and change it every couple of years. what was here at level 50 is still here now and what level 60 is built around. I am level 58 NIN right now and god is it boring
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05-08-2017, 08:25 PMNeelawell than its another problem you are talking about... its not that cls are not varity enough in their playstyles but people who actually can't play them in full potential. Lately especially tanks suck hard cause of all the scrubs coming out of potd which never learend anything about their cls and toolkits. anyways talking about cls design although you don't even have a single dd cls on 60 is even more a joke... and Mature is right:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delorean
this comments how experience you are in other games isnt relevant - at least in ff14 you seem very novice at all... cause of points others already mentioned.Quote:
I don't care how long have you been playing games how long you been raiding or how "pro" you believed to be because that's not the point and no one cares.
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05-08-2017, 08:57 PMMatureI was just gonna say that. Looking at his character he actually seems very novice all aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Neela
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Not disrespect to the OP but I'm gonna leave it here because clearly this guy is still in learning process and a very novice gamer of FFXIV after....3 years IN.... Still...
There really isn't much to say to you anymore. Like I said it before if you were a bit more of a veteran (looking at your character , clearly you are not by any standard) we could of carry on with the debate but for now you need to learn and experience the game more (no idea what have you been doing for the past 3 years tbh) -
05-08-2017, 09:21 PMDelorean
question: once you're both level 61 will you have no idea what you're talking about just like me? since you won't be level 60 anymore
because you have to be level 60 to know what you're talking about
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05-08-2017, 09:45 PMRuleofThreeIt's just an excuse to invalidate someone's opinion. I'm waiting for their response to mine. "Well..clearly your dragoon is only iLevel 243, and everything else iLevel245ish. With exception to your healres and tanks which are iLevel 260. SO this tells me you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...come back when you have iLevel270"Quote:
Originally Posted by Delorean
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05-08-2017, 10:04 PMDelorean
at least they are honest about it xD
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05-08-2017, 10:09 PMNeela
Its just senseless to even try making a point to someone who can't compare objective feedback to own experience if that one isn't even near that experience... ->
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SO this tells me you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...come back when you have a basement for discussion at all
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05-08-2017, 10:17 PMbswpaytonTheres a solution to this tank master job stick with thoseQuote:
Originally Posted by Delorean