Branching jobs and WOW’s specialization

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Yes and no.
Some people like challenge, others like to play theway the want.

I was raiding in 3.0 to 3.4 as a Nocturnal Ast paired with a WHM when the WHM/SCH pair was broken and my static said "hey play what you want, if you master it there's no problem".

Make "specilizations" bringing around the same DPS (i mean number of dps using a parser) but in a different way/gameplay should be interesting.
But as i said, it's a very long design process that we will unfortunately never see

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Sure, there are statics that say "play how you want." However, they will always be struggling for clears by allowing their members to play inefficiently. That's completely up to them, I guess.

However, I just don't see the point in it. Why play less than optimal knowingly? For the "Lols?" To see if you can? Though I guess that's why their is such a divide between the "elitists" as they are called, and the casuals. The "casuals" choose willful ignorance, knowing full well that there is an abundance of information out there that will show them exactly how to perform at their job, if they'd just take the time to look it up.

I'd rather see brand new jobs rather than trying to force them to work within existing jobs.

While it might be handy for the player since they get extra credit for levelling a given job, it would be a pain in the backside to balance effectively, and you'd also have that niggling feeling that your shiny new job kinda feels like the old one in a lot of ways. Which they would, since they'd be sharing all the base class' abilities, and the animations that go with said abilities.

Sure I'd like to see jobs like Geomancer in the game. But I'd rather they be their own job, not some patchwork creation that uses CNJ for the base skills 'just because'.

Instead of branching jobs, they could reduce the limit of shared skills and allow the players to build their own sub job with skills learned by other jobs, similar to the armory system during 1.0.

Now with 4.0 the cross skill system get replaced with a role skill system. It will depend on the amounts of skills the jobs of the same role can share, if it allow to give the players some choices or if it will be again like "4 slots, 6 skills, 2 skills are bad"

Since they said that 3 new jobs every 2 years is too much work (lel), a gameplay slicely different from the original job could be interesting.

Like an AST dpsing with his cards, something like variations of existing spells.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

If any of prefer WOW over FF, they would actually play WOW.
ProposING new things with a solid example is that bad ?

Im always amazed by this community.

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No , isnt bad to proposing things .

People can say ideas :) just saying i love FF and i dont like the game WOW ;P

After i heared wow movie is cool but i still dont like the game ( same if i'll think the movie is cool when i will watch it) .

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Since they said that 3 new jobs every 2 years is too much work (lel), a gameplay slicely different from the original job could be interesting.

Like an AST dpsing with his cards, something like variations of existing spells.

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Okay, but answer me this: what is the point of making "DPS AST" when they could just make a new DPS Job? There's not any point.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Since they said that 3 new jobs every 2 years is too much work (lel), a gameplay slicely different from the original job could be interesting.

Like an AST dpsing with his cards, something like variations of existing spells.

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Why do that when you can just implement the Gambler job?
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gambler_(job)

It's a thing and it's why we don't need a spec system. Other jobs ARE our specs.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Okay, but answer me this: what is the point of making "DPS AST" when they could just make a new DPS Job? There's not any point.

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It's a proposal since making new jobs is too long/difficult apparently.

Based on the actual spells but with differents effects.

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

Why do that when you can just implement the Gambler job?
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gambler_(job)

It's a thing and it's why we don't need a spec system. Other jobs ARE our specs.

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Sure i would love to see new jobs, like a PT based healer. But as i said, SE pointed out that 3 jobs for every expansions is too much work for'em :/

Having specs could be a faster way to get new gameplays

I think 4.0, with its role-sharing abilities, is a step in the right direction. This way you wouldn't have to level up, say, gladiator to whatever level to get Provoke, and instead all major abilities would be shared between Fending class.

I remember reading an interview where, when they designed battles, they didn't account for the healer doing any DPS, so ANYTHING the healer could do is something to help, even if it's just small. I think with the push to get healers to DPS, they're going to have a few more offensive abilities in 4.0.

Personally I'd like to see more crowd control abilities. Mobs that have better AI and try to swarm or endanger the player. Make them use crowd control abilities instead of LOL kill all the things.

The problem with this is that in the end it makes no difference, they still have to design new weapons for the new job because it won't share the same stat pool. A SCH doesn't use the same books as an arcanist or summoner, they had to create an entirely new book for it, the codex of healing.

The only way this would work is if they designed a healing, fending, maiming, casting and scouting version of every weapon. Then they could have PLD use the swords of fending, RDM use the swords of casting and fighter or something that uses the swords of maiming. Then they still have to make separate actions for each job because a dps can't be using the rage of halone combo for example. So at this point you have to ask, how is this different from them just designing a new weapon? Unless we get to the point where we have 5 different dps sword users, and I really don't think they're planning that long term.