Should the ToS be updated to allow botting?

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Originally Posted by Raikki

I don't think you understand how the tokens work. The game time tokens are purchased for real money first before being sold for game money. That's the definition of buying gil.

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Difference between this and unpermitted RMT would be : where the money goes. SE would get the money from those token purchases, not some RMT company that puts bots at main city Aetherytes and boards to say some gil advertisement every few seconds. Effectively, those tokens allow someone (John) to pay someone else (Arthur) Gil, in exchange for Arthur providing John with game time purchased from SE.

Is it RMT? Yes; but RMT from SE happens every time someone buys any in game Glamour or Phantasia from the Mogstation.

As for allowing botting .. no. Non-RMT botting should be banned just as fast as RMT botting.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

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RMT vs unpermitted RMT sounds like buying weed from the state vs going to the weed man on 37th street by the Wendy's. SE could kill this problem easy, but again it's SEs fault we have it and the fact they punish people for their faults, rather fix them has always been humorous is my eyes.

Just because the bots don't get removed right away doesn't mean that they don't get punished, nor does it mean it should ever be considered an acceptable practise.

If you're ever at a point where you're thinking 'gee I'd rather let a program play the game for me while I do something else', and that this sounds like a good idea? Then you should consider quitting that game and finding something you actually enjoy doing.

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Originally Posted by Cenerae

If you're ever at a point where you're thinking 'gee I'd rather let a program play the game for me while I do something else', and that this sounds like a good idea? Then you should consider quitting that game and finding something you actually enjoy doing.

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There's a reason RMT make a lot of money from selling level-capped characters in all games, including this one, and by no means all they sell are stolen, they bot them to cap then sell, which shows how many actually never get reported or sanctioned.

I've never understood why legit players (read: players that aren't RMT/gathering bots) would want to use a bot to play this game.
If you don't actually want to put the effort into playing this game, and would rather have a botting program do it for you, then you should probably stop paying your subscription.

And why would "top raiders" bot this game???? What purpose does that even serve????

I don't support the idea of botting ever being allowed by the ToS. That would just give the RMT/gathering bots more ways to get around SE's efforts to weed them out. Since botting would now be allowed, you would actually have to catch them in the act of RMT or advertising it to get rid of them.

This is your third thread about botting. Get over it. It's against ToS. You don't have as much time to play, that sucks, doesn't mean you should be allowed to cheat.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

raiders" bot this game???? What purpose does that even serve????

I don't support the idea of botting ever being allowed by the ToS. That would just give the RMT/gathering bots more ways to get around SE's efforts to weed them out. Since botting would now be allowed, you would actually have to catch them in the act of RMT or advertising it to get rid of them.

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No one want botting be allowed the problem is more that alot of ppl who arent RMT not getting any bans. Trust me raiders have reason to bot too dont make it look like only casuals do it. I mean if a raider leveling 3-4 alts to bypass lockout with bots they kinda do have reasons too.

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Originally Posted by Miste

No...buying game time tokens with in-game gil from SE isn't the same. Since the profits of it go to SE which is where all profits from their game should go; not to some third party RMT trying to exploit a game they do not own to make a profit.

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It still have the same effect. Someone spend real money to get alot of ingame curency. He buy "first patch day" glamour without waiting for price drop, resulting in hyperinflation on the server.

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It still have the same effect. Someone spend real money to get alot of ingame curency. He buy "first patch day" glamour without waiting for price drop, resulting in hyperinflation on the server.

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How would it cause inflation if the gil already existed?

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Originally Posted by Enur

How would it cause inflation if the gil already existed?

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Because glamour sellers will increase their prices. If someone buy it, the price is ok. And if you can't buy it, then sell play time to get the needed gil.