Concerns about " Getting rid of unused and ineffective actions"

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

You know repose? that spell whm has that works on NOTHING even remotely worth it? (sleep for blm as well) yea, that may be on the chopping block.

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Especially since they made monsters in post-HW dungeons immune to sleep for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Yes, and look what happened with that train of thought! They pruned so much that they killed the whole shrub. I played during Wrath, and honestly, it wasn't so hard to manage. And that was me maining an affliction warlock and managing several dots, an active rotation, buffs and a pet. Not to mention pouring hours into the talent trees.

MMOs do need to be complicated. Your character is supposed to be able to do all manner of crazy stuff, just like soldiers in real life are very much multi-talented individuals. The minute you start catering to the idea of "streamlining" and "emphasizing simplicity" is usually where the wheels start to come off.

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The dropped subs is not usually associated with pruning. I think it's more to do with long content droughts and garrisons etc.

The nice thing about having simpler rotations is that the dev team can make more mechanically interesting fights.

Personally, I really dislike a lot of the complicated stuff they added in Heavensward. I went from loving BRD, BLM, PLD, WHM, SCH, SMN, NIN, DRG in 2.x to playing SMN/SCH only in 3.x. Conversely, in WoW, Demon Hunter is amazingly fun and it's incredibly simple in it's mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Norleas

Especially since they made monsters in post-HW dungeons immune to sleep for whatever reason.

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Back in the 2.0 days people would sleep stuff and kill only the stuff that would open gates and skip the rest of the trash, so now everything is immune to sleep.

Wanderer's Palace was one of the biggest offenders, skipping tons of trash mobs by sleeping stuff specifically pulling the entire first hallway from the beginning, killing the tonberry that opens the door and locking all the trash out with the boss seal.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Back in the 2.0 days people would sleep stuff (Wanderer's Palace is the biggest offender, skipping tons of trash mobs by sleeping stuff specifically pulling the entire first hallway from the beginning, killing the tonberry that opens the door and locking all the trash out with the boss seal) and kill only the stuff that would open gates and skip the rest of the trash, so now everything is immune to sleep.

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A great design choice for the devs to take intelligent use of CC and nerf it to become obsolete.

Oh gosh but I love featherfoot and not just for fishing for a haymaker. I keep it on my WAR bar at all times and remember quite gleefully giggling as Titan flipped a table at me to see DODGE. Nice try, buddy. Nice try.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

MMOs do need to be complicated. Your character is supposed to be able to do all manner of crazy stuff, just like soldiers in real life are very much multi-talented individuals. The minute you start catering to the idea of "streamlining" and "emphasizing simplicity" is usually where the wheels start to come off.

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Ehhhh, that depends in what way it is complex. Lengthy combos are a system of difficulty mechanics that have to exist in tandem with DPS checks. You look at fights like A11 and possibly A12 where re-positioning and dodging all the things becomes a detriment to those combos; you could say those fights are so light on gear checking because they rely far more on evasion tactics while maintaining damage. Likewise, just having a 1-2-3 output for a full potency rotation would make dps checks laughable. So it really falls under what a fight focuses on. Currently we are looking to be getting more fights that are more mechanically active and not nearly as sever DPS checks, so pruning may have to be necessary to adapt to the changes. In time, DPS checks will resurface more and we'll find them creating a system that supports both on an equal level.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

This is my first time posting to these boards, but I've been playing the game for a few months now. I came over to this after being just disgusted with the way Blizzard had handled WoW, a game I played since 2008. Chief among my grievances was the concept of class pruning. I could never ditch that feeling of "I sure miss being able to do that cool thing" or get over how much weaker my characters felt afterward. One of the things I love so dearly about FF14 is its complexity. Every class is able to do so much, and I love juggling rotations and staggering cooldowns while tanking 12 mobs at once. It's fun to do, and being awesome isn't supposed to be easy or simple. If it was, everyone would be Bruce Lee or a 5 star general or Dean Winchester. So, you can see how talk of " Getting rid of unused and ineffective actions" is absolutely terrifying to me, even with Stormblood being so far away.

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I could not agree more with this honestly, it's why I left WoW too, glad I'm not alone. WoW classes felt so complex and fun in Pandaria, now they all have 3 button rotations and are immensely shallow for the most part. I went back recently to try legion and it's just so boring in comparison to FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I could not agree more with this honestly, it's why I left WoW too, glad I'm not alone. WoW classes felt so complex and fun in Pandaria, now they all have 3 button rotations and are immensely shallow for the most part. I went back recently to try legion and it's just so boring in comparison to FFXIV.

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I was so sad when they removed hunter's Eye of the Beast, it was a useless spell but I loved being able to take control of my pet and run around as a snake, wolf or cat for a minute, lol. And then shaman had that totem that let you see what it sees, so I would drop it somewhere and just go hide, able to lie in wait for some unsuspecting passer-by to wander into my trap, lol.

I'm not really sure I like the thought of having certain skills being completely removed. :x pointless skills like Sleep and Repose make sense, but I do actually like having Featherfoot and Haymaker. Then again though my biggest wish is for Dismantle/Rend Mind to be buffed. 5% is so smol a percentage...

People they say spells like Sleep don't have any use whatsoever don't play BLM in all content where sleep in lower dungeons can save lives. Or completely shut down adds in boss fights. Removing stuff like that turns your job class to only perform one function and make it boring real quick and real fast.