I admit it wasn't a very good title in retrospect. I meant to have the title refer to how I came to this theory through the trailer, but it backfired horribly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody
As for people assuming things without even giving the OP a read...that's the usual voice of reason for this forum, rather than going in with an open mind. It's either one way or the other sadly.
Monk/Trailer theory
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10-19-2016, 01:26 PMArcsol93
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10-19-2016, 02:46 PMsilentwindfr
even if the idea is nice, it will not pass, they will not create a whole new set of animation because you switch of fist. mostly because they will need to do it for every jobs that have different stance (and strangely you have a few). plus like the idea to have different weapon used by the same jobs they will prefer create a new jobs that will use this weapon and animation that put it on another jobs. because is not different than, creating another speciality. what they have said will never happend.
that said about the skill that will be revamped (if not take out) you have a few of them. and i think they will more work around the meditation skill and more flexible combo system, because soo far we are quite limited in the possibility.
i still wait for a no positional combo for the monk (yeah, because i find it silly to play a monk that play like a rogue), the chi blast! and maybe some skill that will allows us to charge the meditation. outside this the monk is kinda nice as he is right now.
about the trailer, my position is well know, the red lady is not a monk, what she is.... it's open to speculation, for me (as like it's my personal opinion), it's scream dancer... funfact, i did say a few years ago that i will find very interesting that the dancer use a similar combo system like the monk, but based on kicking, each skill representating a "dance's step" and instead to get a personal buff like the monk, do a buff around her, motivating people or debuffing enemy. but i digress, we are talking about a theory about the monk based on the trailer.
i will simply say this, no point to show 2 monk sparing, especially if this two monk don't use the same combat style. the man (wol) is clearly a monk, the girl on the other hand... nope, this is not a monk.
the stop of the support of the ps3 will not result in more cash invested into 1-2 class, yoshida was clear, if they give something special to one class, they will give something special to every class!
ps: something i want to make quite clear, because some people seems to forget it time to time:
when i talk of Monk i'm talk of Monk in Final Fantasy 14. you can come and say, in the 4-3-6-10 they do this.... no point, we are in Final Fantasy 14 and the monk have already an identity really clear. -
10-19-2016, 05:50 PMFelisThe animations are already ingame since ARR beta.Quote:
Originally Posted by silentwindfr
It is about the effects of already existing skills, not new skills.
She use Shoulder Tackle, Feather Feet and Fist of Fire in the trailer. For me it look like a Monk.Quote:
i will simply say this, no point to show 2 monk sparing, especially if this two monk don't use the same combat style. the man (wol) is clearly a monk, the girl on the other hand... nope, this is not a monk.
useless skills from every class get reworkedQuote:
the stop of the support of the ps3 will not result in more cash invested into 1-2 class, yoshida was clear, if they give something special to one class, they will give something special to every class!
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10-19-2016, 06:13 PMsilentwindfr
ermm no, i do play monk since V1 and did play to the beta too, the animation of the combo of kick followed by strike with the clothing (probably a weapon by the way) are not in game. same a lot of her kicking are simply not present since most of the animation of the monk and skill are.... punching.
she did use a charge, not shoulder tackles, featherfeet is a cross skill and no at best we can argue that she use a skill that look like a fist of wind (another of the useless skill with can guess that will be rework or replaced)
one more time, people use this as example, whe,:
- 1) they are not the same animation. the featherfeet skill our character jump from feet to another, here she turn on herself and rest on one feet. the shoulder tackle (bad name by the way) is a direct punch, her she strike with both arm open, one in front one behind, that not the movement the monk do. fist of wind too haven't the same animation, plus it don't increase the capacity to fight, but to move! is more a charge up animation used for her.... what make my point more valid since the WoL and her have 2 different animation for charge up!!
- 2) some of the skill name are generic skill not even monk skill (snap punch, shoulder tackle and featherfeet) they are pugilist :x plus some are cross skill or like said basic skill that can be used in any martial art jobs.
people are simply wanting monk to get more animation and such, but i did explain why it will not happend, countless time, it's a fact that can't be ignored.
worst none of your point are valid! since it's greatly possible that fist of wind, feathfeet will be removed of the monk skillset!
anyway, can you explain me one thing, a simple one. why the lady in red is obviously a kung fu fighter while the wol (monk) is a karate fighter? why make another monk fighting style, since, we will never get a skilltree or other specialization or even a second jobs based on the pugilist class? 5 skill is not enough for change a fighting style and like said, don't hope to get another animation for your skill because you switch of stance, it will recquire to do it for every jobs that have different stance (warrior, paladin, astrologian,...) what they will not do, since they are really carefull about how they will use the budget!
finally, if they create a whole new set of animation of this quality.... why not directly put it into a new jobs...especially since we see her use a strange weapon. and i still remember yoshida saying, no multiple type of weapon per jobs. but i have the impression to repeat myself. it will be nice to read every point i did said. because they are kinda fact that make her really really strange.
because your point are, she seems to use featherfeet, she seems to use fist of wind and she seems to use shoulder tackles, when none of this skill have the same animation in the game, take the time to look at it ingame.... by the way, strangely the WoL use the same animation than use in the game. strange no?
ps: it's nice to hope for stuff, better to understand what they will or will not do. make another set of animation even for the already existing skill different because of a stance? when hell will froze! it time, money and energy consumed that can be used to develop new class, new content and such. -
10-19-2016, 06:44 PMFelisFeatherfeet (she jump up and down a bit) https://youtu.be/mAobb8_SzHY?t=80Quote:
Originally Posted by silentwindfr
Shoulder Tackle (instant jump to her opponent with a stunning attack) right after Featherfeet
Fist of Fire (not Fist of Wind, she get a red aura) https://youtu.be/mAobb8_SzHY?t=119 -
10-19-2016, 07:09 PMsilentwindfr
*facepalms*
Feathefeet animation is jump from one feet to another, not on one feet (plus it's a cross skill)
shoulder tackle, the easier one to counter, go ingame and check the animation
fist of fire don't give you a red aura :x it make 4 flower of fire sprout.... seriously?
we are talking about animation and you say it look like not it's is. that the whole point.
ps: i want to point something quite important, on the whole fight, you have only notice 3 skill that look like monk? what about all the other attack she do that are totally not monk, while we have a monk fighting her using skill we know! -
10-19-2016, 10:00 PMaeoncsQuote:
Originally Posted by silentwindfr
The WoLs moves in the trailer aren't 100% like the monks ingame animations either, doesn't make him any less of a monk though; it's a CGI trailer, duh. The female clearly uses Featherfoot, Shoulder Tacke (which pretty much looks the same ingame) and FoF. You not being able, or not wanting, to see it doesn't change that.
B2T: A decent theory but probably wishful thinking because that would be somewhat of a complete overhaul as several abilities would have to be reworked, added and removed. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't want it, because actually making proper use of FoW and FoE (other than PvPing and occasionally having to tank for 5 seconds) and stance dancing depending on the situation would be pretty cool. -
10-19-2016, 10:36 PMCaptainLagbeard
I don't know if the Fist skills should really affect fighting styles all that much, but I think they could make Fists of Wind increase Attack Speed in addition to the Movement Speed increase... It might increase DPS more than Fists of Fire, but faster weaponskills do end up draining TP faster... Maybe get some actual use for Purification outside of AoE spam.
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10-20-2016, 03:18 PMArcsol93Exactly my point right there. Gives uses to other skills as well, kind of compliments each other in my opinion. Fists of earth is still a long shot for me, I kind of see it as a sort of tanky pose, but I'm sure other means for it could be developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard