Let us obtain Hermes' Shoes, Garlond Goggles, Asuran Armguards and other 1.0 items

- Dalamuds Horn.... what about this item.

- And a point to the people here, you talk of exclusivity but it still applies to events from 2.0 too, look at the fiasco we had with the original lightning event, the hairstyle, the weapons and armour were exclusive to the event participants, the event then got re-released. a storm carried on, and then they inevitably put them in the cash shop.. but i presume that's fair because its just event items right? :/

as for the pre-order incentives of the game, the moogle hat and helm of light dont stretch far out of their means since they only fit specific gear (labyrinth of the ancients comes to mind..

all in all, i personally believe they should just add them to the mog station or an achievement tie/one time event, this gives the people who want them an option. even if it was a limited time mog station that would be better than "not at all."

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Originally Posted by Rin_Sato

You only answered the middle question, but I appreciate the knowledge that there are people who would deny others an experience simply so they feel special, even if they would not lose anything from it.

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lol.

I'm sorry that some people feel that they deserve to have everything given to them, regardless of whether or not they earned the item. This has nothing to do with feeling special, but more not being an entitled prat who doesn't understand exclusivity in MMOs and video games.

I have missed out on several items, but I've never once come to the forums begging to have it given to me just because.

You'll be able to get a Dalamud horn next time they crash a meteor into the game and reboot it. Just wait for that.

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At what point is it ok for them to not be "exclusive"?

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Never. Otherwise, they aren't exclusive.

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I could go and play on the chinese/korean servers and get these "exclusive" items, and you won't be able to stop me.

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Go for it, different servers and slightly different game. The exclusivity was for this game.

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Because people want to keep their "exclusive" items "exclusive", you would try to deny newer players the opportunities handed to you?

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Not so much because I don't want to keep "exclusive" items " exclusive" more that we were told that doing action "X" will give item "Y" but only if done at time "Z". SE said they were "exclusive", not us. Don't like it, ask SE why they make "exclusive" things. I'm pretty sure that maximizing their profits would be part of their answer.

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What merit does keeping those items "exclusive" hold?

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For people that have them? A feeling of time or money well spent that they may not have spent otherwise. For SE? The knowledge that if they offer "exclusive" items for money in the future that people will buy them at the price they ask for them.

The problem for SE is this. Dalamud minion required buying a $40 or $50 soundtrack. Someone buys the soundtrack mostly for the minion. The combination is worth that amount to them. SE later adds it to the mog station for $10. They will not be able to sell as many overpriced soundtracks as before since people will decide to wait for the mog station release instead.

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You only answered the middle question, but I appreciate the knowledge that there are people who would deny others an experience simply so they feel special, even if they would not lose anything from it.

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Actually, we do lose something. We lose faith in SE that when we give them something we may not have given otherwise for something "exclusive" that it will actually be, you know, "exclusive".

Also, I have answered all 3 of your questions.

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I'm sorry that some people feel that they deserve to have everything given to them, regardless of whether or not they earned the item.

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So you're entitled to it because you "earned" it, and anyone else wanting to earn it the exact same way is being selfish? Nobody is saying we should have stuff without earning it. People are just saying they should let new people earn it the same as they let previous people earn it.

For actual exclusives (as in things which were designed originally to be exclusive, like pre-order bonuses or the legacy tattoo) their value relies on maintaining that exclusivity, so I'd agree with you there, but nobody has been asking for access to those. The things people are asking for are items that were gotten either in-game or through other offers that could still be made available. Collectors Edition bonuses, for example, could be available through a CE upgrade, just like we already have for 2.0 and 3.0 CE items. In-game event items could be available through another event.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Dalamud minion required buying a $40 or $50 soundtrack. Someone buys the soundtrack mostly for the minion. The combination is worth that amount to them. SE later adds it to the mog station for $10. They will not be able to sell as many overpriced soundtracks as before since people will decide to wait for the mog station release instead.

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Not a valid example if those soundtracks are still available and still give the minion. There's no need to put it on the mog station by itself if there's already another way to get it. (If the soundtracks aren't available any more, then maybe they should be re-released. Or if they're not going to be, then their continued sales are irrelevant.)

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So you're entitled to it because you "earned" it, and anyone else wanting to earn it the exact same way is being selfish? Nobody is saying we should have stuff without earning it. People are just saying they should let new people earn it the same as they let previous people earn it.

For actual exclusives (as in things which were designed originally to be exclusive, like pre-order bonuses or the legacy tattoo) their value relies on maintaining that exclusivity, so I'd agree with you there, but nobody has been asking for access to those. The things people are asking for are items that were gotten either in-game or through other offers that could still be made available. Collectors Edition bonuses, for example, could be available through a CE upgrade, just like we already have for 2.0 and 3.0 CE items. In-game event items could be available through another event.

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ARR is in a funky position as they decided to grandfather in our characters (and items) from a completely separate game. While the items from 1.0 may not have been obtained through events or specific purchases (I honestly can't remember at this point, would have to go back and check a few..), it could be said that these do fall into the "exclusive" category as 1.0 is no longer a thing.

I'm really not opposed to event items being obtainable again through similar events. XIV has a fairly set event schedule - we have Christmas/New years, Valentines Day, Spring event, Summer event, Fall event, etc. I would love if they adapted the XI (and early XIV!) thinking where you could buy old event items from the vendor when it came around again.

I think a CE upgrade option would be a good idea. Just make the pricing even between those who purchased the CE straight out vs. the upgrade, and I don't think anyone would have a reason to argue that.

But to get back to 1.0, I personally feel they should just leave these alone. I am missing some items, notably the horn and goobbue, but it is what it is.

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I do want to add, my last post was a bit more harsh than it should have been, but that was more directed at the specific poster I had quoted. :X I don't think there is anything wrong with opening up discussion about somehow getting items back into the game through similar methods, but there is a point where some things are just going to remain exclusive.

Those who defend exclusive items are insulted quite frequently, told that we just want to be special snowflakes, or that we're being selfish. The insult slingers are the ones who seem to have an unreasonably high sense of entitlement.

But anyway, I do apologize as I am really not wanting to group everyone into the "entitled" category. I generally try to steer clear of painting a whole group with a single brush, and I'm sure it came off that way.

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The problem for SE is this. Dalamud minion required buying a $40 or $50 soundtrack. Someone buys the soundtrack mostly for the minion. The combination is worth that amount to them. SE later adds it to the mog station for $10. They will not be able to sell as many overpriced soundtracks as before since people will decide to wait for the mog station release instead.

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what sucked about this? i bought the phyiscal collectors edition of 2.0, which came with that exact soundtrack, i didn't even get a code for that minion.

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Not a valid example if those soundtracks are still available and still give the minion. There's no need to put it on the mog station by itself if there's already another way to get it. (If the soundtracks aren't available any more, then maybe they should be re-released. Or if they're not going to be, then their continued sales are irrelevant.)

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It does not give the minion anymore. Only the first run of the soundtrack had the code for the minion.

This is as simple as I can make it. Please comprehend.

The only reason I have EVER given them $50 for a soundtrack, art book, plushie, whatever, was the exclusivity of the item attached to it. Not exclusive and available at any time? Screw you, I'll wait for a sale instead thank you very much.

I paid the full price to get that item, forgoing any chance at getting it for less to be given something in return.

Furthermore, everyone in the world, unless they were significantly underage, had the same opportunity to buy the item when released. For whatever reason, playing another game or whatever, they did not buy it t. Live with that decision.

Want to peeve off your customers? Lie to them.

To break that exclusivity, which Yoshi-P himself said won't happen, will do more harm than good to the company.

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So if the acquisition cost remains the same there is no problem?
If not your assertion that there is a problem is false

Lose faith?
"Exclusive" event items have already been put on the mog station, there is precedent for "your" "exclusive" items to go there as well.

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Lose faith?
"Exclusive" event items have already been put on the mog station, there is precedent for "your" "exclusive" items to go there as well.

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In-game event items have been put into the CS and not everyone is happy about it. If they ever touch paid exclusives, there would be a poo storm of epic proportions (rightfully so).