The cooldown reset on A8s is unbearable

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

are you saying it absolutely cant be done? sure, on the primal encounters and some raid bosses everyone is in the fight if one starts the fight, but look at something like (for example of course) T11 at i130.

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T11 requires a total party wipe to reset the fight because there's no entrance or barrier.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

it is completely possible to get one shot immediately, taking less than 5 seconds to die and respawn, taking a little over 3 seconds to use the shortcut and be right back with the party. assuming you arent playing on windows 95 and u take 10 years to load these two things, thats 8 seconds, getting rebuffed and blowing your shroud/potion/mana wahtsit abilties going in as a healer, its definantly possible to do this in 15 seconds or less.

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The black screen fading to black as you return to the exit alone takes a second, then 3 seconds for the respawn animation, then you have the running back (or if you're using the shortcut, that's another 2 seconds for loading speed even on my rig).

You're still also repsawning with 0 mp and 0 tp which is an issue espesically for healer, even with shroud. Even if it's possible as you put it, it's so incredibly impractical that you're at a disadvantage because of the resource loss.

[QUOTE=Pells;3681042]The primal trials start you in the arena, yes. So does Midas 4. Midas 1-3 start you outside the arena.../QUOTE]

As i mentioned earlier, you're more-than likely going to start at a disadvantage with the healer starting with less than half mana (even if you do blow their mana regen) because you're going to respawn with 0 mp and 0 tp. Even if this scenario was a example of an "Exploit", it's a silly one at that.

They will never put it in, they want raiders to play and not cancel subscriptions. The faster people can clear content the less they play during the week. It is honestly the only thing I can think of for not putting it in, saying there would be exploits cannot be true, they use that cause they most likely cannot give the real reason.

Running a8 again, the 120 seconds every perfect balance if someone messes a pentacle is destroying everyones mood. Its horrible :<

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Originally Posted by Tigerlilley

Running a8 again, the 120 seconds every perfect balance if someone messes a pentacle is destroying everyones mood. Its horrible :<

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Sounds like a good motivator to not screw up there...
From my perspective it sounds like your group have the wrong mindset going into the fight. Thinking "if we only had cooldown reset..." instead of "we need to get better at handling this. what can we do?".

Again from my perspective, cooldown reset would cause quicker burnout and less progress due to people thinking "we'll just wipe and try again" without stopping to think about what went wrong and how to do it better next time.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Sounds like a good motivator to not screw up there...
From my perspective it sounds like your group have the wrong mindset going into the fight. Thinking "if we only had cooldown reset..." instead of "we need to get better at handling this. what can we do?".

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Mistakes happen, even if you know the fight perfectly (so it ends up with "sorry, lag happened" "kay"). Even if people talked about what they can do differently or whatever, it (usually) doesn't take 3-5 minutes to talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Sounds like a good motivator to not screw up there...

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Having to restart the fight because you died is good enough of a motivator. Having to wait to try again (because of things not directly related to the fight or game dps mind you, but cooldowns) feels more like a punishment than a deterrence in that regard. Infact I don't think anyone even talks about having to wait 2 minutes or wanting to avoid it because of a wipe, just the frustration of a wipe actually happening on what could have been a clear attempt.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

From my perspective it sounds like your group have the wrong mindset going into the fight. Thinking "if we only had cooldown reset..." instead of "we need to get better at handling this. what can we do?".

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In response to the latter, the group already has that planned, it's all about execution rather than replanning (which can be more detrimental because you're essentially changing up something that's probably working in the first place, just not executed properly). However when it comes to a clear attempt, you neeed to be able to pull out reasonable amounts of dps in order to meet the dps check...hence you wait for cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Again from my perspective, cooldown reset would cause quicker burnout and less progress due to people thinking "we'll just wipe and try again" without stopping to think about what went wrong and how to do it better next time.

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And from my perspective, dying to the first set of mirage on blaster because the OT had to run a full half circle to get to a landmine and waiting for 2 minutes is a faster way to burn out. It breaks the pacing of the fight, there's nothing to change up in regards to strategy, and we want to down blaster before the third landmines explode, so we need the extra dps during progression.

When people keep pointing out the part where you talk about and plan something different, I think they forget that this only really applies to world first progression and no one knows the fights. The fights are so incredibly scripted that you'll only ever have 2, maybe 3 valid strategies to handling it. Everything else would make it harder than it needs to be. And even after that ,you'll just round back to what I said previously and that it'd just come down to execution (and you'd need the extra dps to meet the enrage timer on a first-clear attempt).

If not a full reset, why not a partial?

Drop all CD's to 30 secs after a wipe (if they would have exceeded those timers).

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

As i mentioned earlier, you're more-than likely going to start at a disadvantage with the healer starting with less than half mana (even if you do blow their mana regen) because you're going to respawn with 0 mp and 0 tp. Even if this scenario was a example of an "Exploit", it's a silly one at that.

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ONE person starts at a disadvantage so seven others can have an advantage. You do know that there are already strategies in some fights where one raid member will deliberately eat a death so that more don't have to?

That type of reset doesn't really make sense, though, Pell. I think most assume a CD reset to be the second you Release, or in fights like A8S and EX Primals, when the entire party wipes.

I can't think of a possible way to exploit that, since sacrificing a player to reset the boss will only reset their CD's, not the 7 others (would still need to wait for MP and TP, though).

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Again from my perspective, cooldown reset would cause quicker burnout and less progress due to people thinking "we'll just wipe and try again" without stopping to think about what went wrong and how to do it better next time.

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I think you're reaching on this. Like really reaching. If you're brand new to a fight and you're with your static, you honestly think you'll die when you see a new mechanic, then immediately wipe, and run in YOLO without discussing it? If you have a static that only talks about strategy because you're waiting on cooldowns, you might need to find a new static.