Concerning the PIE buff on SCH/AST, please do not remove it.

It's pretty ironic that this is more of a concern to black mage than it is to healers. I'd say remove piety party bonus, add 7 piety to blm job. Only need so much mp as a healer but could always use more mind.

Don't forget that certain foods also give PIE. AST healing potency shouldn't have to suffer because BLMs want to get in extra DPS.

just add mind and piety to all healers

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Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael

just add mind and piety to all healers

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Said this last page, but yeah, that's the perfect solution. Simple, effective, yet not gamebreaking...nobody loses out.

If we're forced to pick using the current conventions, I'd prefer mind bonus on AST and WHM, with piety on SCH.
If we can rework it, Mind on WHM, Piety on SCH, and Mind on AST unless they use Nocturnal Sect, which then just give us Piety.

Why don't they just do it thusly:

Light Party (4 man) - What you currently bring. Or VIT, PIE, INT, MND - I have no idea how important STR & DEX are now so the former may be better.

Full Party (8 man) - All Base stats, even in a team of 8 WAR.

It seems stupid to miss out a stat because of errors in design, like SCH & AST.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Why don't they just do it thusly:

Light Party (4 man) - What you currently bring. Or VIT, PIE, INT, MND - I have no idea how important STR & DEX are now so the former may be better.

Full Party (8 man) - All Base stats, even in a team of 8 WAR.

It seems stupid to miss out a stat because of errors in design, like SCH & AST.

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Tanks still lose out when there's no MNK or DRG present, just not as much as they previously did. Now they're basically guaranteed half their damage stat and rely on those 2 for the other half.

...and still all these suggestions are more complicated and sloppy than just giving all the healers both MND and PIE.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Having to go out of your way/give up better alternatives VS getting it for free. Of course people will prefer the latter. :P

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Indeed. But... if us healers have to meld accuracy in order to be able to optimize our job (since especially SCH are expected to dps some), then it's only fair that BLM have to meld Piety to optimize their rotation ^_~

in my opinion the three healers should provide the mind buff to the party. however to further promote using different types of healers the piety buff should apply when you have different healers in preformed parties, but in duty finder both mind and piety should be granted as a bonus regardless of composition

Another solution I was talking over with one of my friends, and I'm not 100% sure how viable or broken this would be, but... Why not just add the remaining PIE bonus you would normally get from the party buff to all classes/jobs as standard PIE. This way you can easily hand out the MND party buff to all 3 healers, and boom... No one loses their PIE and all 3 healers can and will give MND as the actual party bonus buff.

Again I'm not 100% sure if that would be too "broken", but I find it a possible viable solution other than the solution(s) that have already been stated. Regardless if nothing else, please at least give us AST the MND buff. It does help, even in the smallest ways, and all help in my personal opinion is always a great welcome!