How a Meridianum and Praetoreum run should be!

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Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

Wrong. SE settled the debate by giving everyone a bonus when people have to *gasp* let someone else play and enjoy the game. People in these threads always say the same wrong things about how they're entitled to speed run over new people's fun AND get the new player bonus at the same time. Nope. Earn the bonus by waiting and being patient or don't do the roulette since it's too hard to understand the concept of being compensated for your time.

To OP, glad you held out for the new player experience and grats on finding some gamers who know how to have fun gaming. :)

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You say that as if people just don't leave them behind and do the duty without them. For that viewpoint to be "wrong," there sure is a lot of statistical data that says otherwise. To be honest, you sound entitled and wish to hold 7 people ransom because their goals and objectives don't mesh with your own. I know which of the 8 in the party is the selfish one for sure.

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Originally Posted by Iz_Lemon

In regards to your reply to my previous post, firstly, at any gear levels they would need a healer, they can't survive without one. Gear item levels don't trivialise boss encounters THAT much.

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I noted they hadn't picked up an incedinary yet, to note that we finished the first boss and they were on trash. I'd be a lot more sympathetic to them if they were actually at a boss.

And it kind of does trivialize boss fights. I've seen a SCH pre-Heavensward almost kill Nero solo. Sure, they had a personal healer, but they didn't have the same damage output as a group or the defense of a tank.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

You say that as if people just don't leave them behind and do the duty without them. For that viewpoint to be "wrong," there sure is a lot of statistical data that says otherwise. To be honest, you sound entitled and wish to hold 7 people ransom because their goals and objectives don't mesh with your own. I know which of the 8 in the party is the selfish one for sure.

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Here's a question though. To the best of my knowledge, four people spoke in total in my group. Myself, two players against me, and someone else that said to let me have the experience. If we add the other cutscene watcher, that's three people for watching, two against it, and three with no commentary. Who is the selfish one?

You may say "they kicked you with majority vote" to counteract my attempt to call the people telling me to skip were selfish. I retort with "how many times do people just click yes on any window that pops up?" I won't deny your possibility outright, but will only say some people don't even check who's being kicked.

Also, I don't feel I held them hostage. I told them to go ahead and kill while I watched.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

Here's a question though. To the best of my knowledge, four people spoke in total in my group. Myself, two players against me, and someone else that said to let me have the experience. If we add the other cutscene watcher, that's three people for watching, two against it, and three with no commentary. Who is the selfish one?

You may say "they kicked you with majority vote" to counteract my attempt to call the people telling me to skip were selfish. I retort with "how many times do people just click yes on any window that pops up?" I won't deny your possibility outright, but will only say some people don't even check who's being kicked.

Also, I don't feel I held them hostage. I told them to go ahead and kill while I watched.

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I'm of the opinion that group members should be okay doing what the majority of the group wants in such a situation. I have nothing against cutscene watchers myself, but it's extremely rare to see groups have a majority position in favor of the person wanting to watch them. If that's what the group wants to do, by all means, the dissenters should be cooperative. However, the CS watchers are almost always the minority.

Best thing to do with situation like this if it is a story quest and there are new players disable Cut-Scence Skipping. Also add a forced level Cap of Level 50 IL50 to those 2 story dungeons. If you bail out in the run you are automatically locked out of all instances, raids and trials for 6 hours, people would think twice about doing it. All members helping the new members would get 300% more tombs for helping out new players.

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Originally Posted by Melondra

Best thing to do with situation like this if it is a story quest and there are new players disable Cut-Scence Skipping. Also add a forced level Cap of Level 50 IL50 to those 2 story dungeons. If you bail out in the run you are automatically locked out of all instances, raids and trials for 6 hours, people would think twice about doing it. All members helping the new members would get 300% more tombs for helping out new players.

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People wouldn't think twice about it at all. They just wouldnt do the duty and new people would be sitting in DF for hours on end talking about how square needs to incentivize the story dungeons.

If you want to watch the cutscenes from front to back then make a pf for the duty. If you are going into DF you get what you get. That's just how it is.

While there is no right way to run any content, there IS a wrong way. Too many dungeons that have had the unfortunate luck of being on 'farm' are too often ran the wrong way. You've got people trying to push speedruns, people who lack the patience to let others watch cutscenes, kicking people for being undergeared... All manner of wrong ways. Only takes a little decency to not do it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

People wouldn't think twice about it at all. They just wouldnt do the duty and new people would be sitting in DF for hours on end talking about how square needs to incentivize the story dungeons.

If you want to watch the cutscenes from front to back then make a pf for the duty. If you are going into DF you get what you get. That's just how it is.

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This. I'm already on the brink of not doing MS roulette because of the obnoxious delays that I may or may not have to deal with when someone wants to be a white knight and hold the entire group hostage. I will never queue as a DPS again for that. As healer I can force the group to go or be left behind, as long as I have at least one tank and a DPS or two with the same mindset. Take that away and I will boycott that roulette entirely, and you can watch the L50's sit and cry about being stuck in the MSQ. THOSE are your options.

As it is, I'm tempted to do all my other roulettes first so I can dump any carebear group in the MS roulette I get stuck with. I'd rather eat the penalty than waste my time, and I am far, far, FAR from the only person who feels that way.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

While there is no right way to run any content, there IS a wrong way. Too many dungeons that have had the unfortunate luck of being on 'farm' are too often ran the wrong way. You've got people trying to push speedruns, people who lack the patience to let others watch cutscenes, kicking people for being undergeared... All manner of wrong ways. Only takes a little decency to not do it wrong.

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Decency works both ways. A first-timer could have the decency to not hold back 7 other people, by showing the courtesy in skipping cutscenes, and knowing the group won't hold it against them if they get lost, die, or otherwise don't contribute. I'll say it again, on my first time I was asked to skip all and I did. Now I make it a personal point to use my commendation for the first timers that play ball with the group (not that it really amounts to much, but it's the thought that counts).

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Originally Posted by Melondra

people would think twice about doing it.

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They'd think twice about even queueing up for the roulette at all, and newbies would be left in the lurch.

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Originally Posted by szalkerous

Decency works both ways.

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No, that's called, "Having your cake and eating it, too." The decent thing isn't expecting others to bend to your way of playing, it's accommodating those who aren't as caught up as you. It was your choice to skip the cutscenes when asked, you didn't have to because it was your first time. When I did either dungeon I'd tell new players to watch the cutscenes if they wanted to, to enjoy the trip as it was practically a given it was going to be an easy run. I don't care how long something takes, as long as it was a success and it was fun. That's all that should matter.

I dont run old content often, but when I do.... I enjoy seeing people do it for the first time. Just lets you know that new people are still flowing into the game. As a tank you have an option to partially allow people to have the best gameplay experience and so letting people do simply things like watch the cutscenes or grab treasure chests out of the way help.

I wish those old instances gave better rewards for endgame players. It would probably encourage me to run those again.