Are healers lazy or do some really live by "I only heal"?

Tanks: Your main job is to keep aggro and maintain it. If you wanna push some more DPS out, more power to ya, just don't get too fancy and lose aggro.
Healer: Your main job is keeping your party alive. If everyone's okay on health, and you wanna push out some more DPS, more power to ya. Just don't let anyone die when you're too busy DPS'ing in Cleric Stance.
DPS: You have ONE job.

As long as you are fulfilling your main role, whether that be keeping aggro or keeping everyone healed, I really don't care if you wanna push out some DPS, just don't wipe the group because you forgot your main role.

I think every job has the possibility to aid in other areas if absolutely needed (yes I know DPS should primarily, well, DPS. XD but there are occasions where minor healing and raising from say, summoner, and the occasional sleep from BLM may save a team from wiping. Yeah I mainly play caster so those are my examples. XD)

In most cases, healers "just healing" is perfectly acceptable, however, that does not mean that player is playing their job to the fullest. There are fights in the game that have some pretty significant dps checks, and if the dps are rocking min Ilvl, a healer might be needed for that extra dps.

This game focuses on a TEAM effort and when a player blames everyone else around him/her because they had to "act outside their class role" that player is only focused on covering their own butt and not the over all success of the team.

I say, judge what you should do by what is happening in your current situation and don't hold so tight to class roles.

that being said, it is perfectly plausible to complete most objectives while holding true to the base formula, but is that really fun?

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Originally Posted by drmambo1999

I think every job has the possibility to aid in other areas if absolutely needed (yes I know DPS should primarily, well, DPS. XD but there are occasions where minor healing and raising from say, summoner, and the occasional sleep from BLM may save a team from wiping. Yeah I mainly play caster so those are my examples. XD)

In most cases, healers "just healing" is perfectly acceptable, however, that does not mean that player is playing their job to the fullest. There are fights in the game that have some pretty significant dps checks, and if the dps are rocking min Ilvl, a healer might be needed for that extra dps.

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i don't mind pushing some dps if they are really needed. my job as a healer is to bring the team alive through the fights. if i have to dps to reach that goal i will do that. but some people expect a healer should stay in cleric more than they actually are healing. and even the game says i should stop healing... the tanks get even LESS damage than back in 2.0 it seems... all the tanks wearing dps gear and they still get no damage... even in ex primal fights....

i really hate paladin for not taking any damage xD i want to HEAL, not dps... if i want to dps i switch to another class -.-

I can understand that. XD I mean you do choose the class you play for a reason after all. My point mainly targets those entering end game raids and primals and the what not as most of those basically require at least some DPS from healers. Even then, though, healers should primarily focus on healing over DPS. I want to run a healer soon, but I won't lie, I am sort of afraid to. lol There seems to be a ton of pressure on healers and I feel for them.

WHM and DRK here.


I will only stance dance when I feel comfortable nobody will die. Pop a Divine Seal Regen and Asylum on the tank and they are virtually indestructible for 20 seconds (IF they use a CD, Tanks should pop CD's when they see they are taking a lot of dmg).
Those are the moments I will be going DPS nuts (While keeping an eye on mana levels, DPS is a nice added extra, healing is my prime responsibility)
It is no problem to let a tanks health drop, as long as the healer anticipates for it and is ready to counter it.

For me this means when the tank drops to 25-50% health:
Tank damage? Drop Cleric stance, Tetragram --> Cure II --> Regen
Group damage? Drop Cleric stance, Asize + Medica (II) + optionally top off tank with what is needed.

I have had runs with paper tanks in which I am not comfortable stance dancing. I rather have a slow run instead of a salty wipe run.
Watching a tanks health drop from 14k to 4k in 5 seconds is not enough to stance dance. You can't afford to be slow and need to react the moment damage is taken (In some cases even pre-casting)

I would also contest that in regards to healers. Gear doesn't matter that much as skill. My WHM is still in ilvl 160 gear and I can easily handle large pulls with ease (Did it yesterday with an WAR FC mate in slaying gear and without defiance turned on, took us 16 mins for Fractal)

Duty finder you do not know what you'll get. So until you see what people are capable of; play it safe. High item level does not equate to skill.

I usually DPS as much as possible. Due to some internet issues I suffer lately a lot of stop motions and heal "blind", then I barely dare to Cleric Stance and put DOTS and my DPS skills.

Of the times I've run into these healers, they are always just terrible players, plain and simple. They will usually fall on the convenient excuse of "it ruins the immersion".

Every class has a wide set of tools available to them. Some abilities may only have a very niche use, but can still be awesome at that time, and there are few abilities that are almost exclusively for PvP. But a healer just instantly dismissing half of the tools available to them is just a bad player

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Originally Posted by drmambo1999

I think every job has the possibility to aid in other areas if absolutely needed

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'absolutely needed?' When will that be? Technically never. If a healer is 'absolutely needed' to dps then clearly DDs are not doing their job. If a static goes into a raid with minimum ilvl gear, then each player needs to execute their main class roles maximally. And that means, for example, each DD knows how to maximise their dps and handle boss mechanics perfectly. Failure to do so in such a way that requires a healer or tank to dps only indicates DDs are not doing their job competently.

It is one thing to say that a healer doing dps will make a boring roulette run go faster, it is quite another thing to say that a healer is 'absolutely needed' to dps. If so, some other role is not doing their main job right and the healer is just compensating for incompetent player(s).

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Originally Posted by Rolynot

So as a main lvl 60 PLD with ilvl 190+ gear, it pains me to see a healer stand around doing nothing when I'm clearly near full health and don't require any healing for at least 4-5 seconds. (Even more so when fighting bosses and they are casting an attack)

I usually find this behavior in my expert duty roulette. Sometimes I inspect the healer gear and they have 190 alex gear, which means they obviously should know how to dps and heal.

I understand that some players religiously believe in the phrase, "I'm a healer so I only heal." which is fine if that's what they believe. I guess I'm just looking for answers as to why players who play like that find it fun? I've started a healer and I find it so much fun having to balance watching when to heal and deal damage in between.

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Oh stop complaining about healers wanting to do their JOB.
Tired of tanks complaining and whining

Ugh don't get me started, the worst offenders are the healers that still cast cure when im at 95% health! :L or worse, when you get SCH's that don't throw dot's out when no healing is required, as a SCH main this makes me cry inside as you have the fairy to cover for you until the tank is at least 50-60%.. Heck im in clerics stance at least 70% of the time, if there's big pulls i'll aldo the tank as they run up and throw out some dot's > bane and swiftcast shadowflare and swap back to healing... and this is when im feeling LAZY! :L the faster things die and the less work you have to do as a healer, i don't see why people cant get that, never mind it speeds the whole run up so you can mong out in a city faster doing whatever your lazy ass wants to do..