As long as PLD has block for trash packs, they shouldn't get to do more damage. PLD gets more mitigation, WAR/DRK get more damage. If you want to make runs faster, play WAR/DRK. If you want to make them even safer, play PLD. Stop trying to make them all the same, each job has advantages and disadvantages.
Paladin need to be review.
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08-07-2015, 09:33 PMLaunched
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08-07-2015, 09:38 PMNFaelivrin
PLD has:
1) Utterly laughable AoE damage.
2) Absolutely horrid damage in tank stance.
3) A clunky stance dance system that diminishes the usefulness of Sword Oath.
4) Defensive advantages that are rendered moot by 3 out of 4 of the current endgame raids as no skills that involve your shield can be used against magic damage.
5) Even in fulltime Sword Oath with slashing debuff, you come somewhat behind DRK and WAR.
Of course according to the community PLDs defense is Super OP and absolutely invincible and for that reason alone they should do 50 DPS and never have any reliable AOE ever. After all, everyone knows that if you Sheltron 65536 times while doing a Harvest Dance you block Hypercompressed Plasma for 100% and return all the damage to the boss.
PS: If your reasoning as to why PLD shouldn't do at least half the AOE damage as WAR/DRK is that you're slighlty tougher for trash pulls you probably should sit down and reconsider just how relevant trash pulls are in endgame. -
08-07-2015, 09:44 PMHaywardAnyone basing a job's value on content tuned for ITEM LEVEL 190+ (caps for emphasis because some people are too thick to comprehend otherwise) at this point does not deserve to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by NFaelivrin
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08-07-2015, 09:47 PMAile-Faelthea
Understandable I can see your argument, but at the end you are 1/8th of the puzzle when it boils down to the content before you. Paladin as it is now isn't an aoe damage tank and going how SE views it will never add a new ability to its skill-set till another level cap rise. Its always been best at focusing the primary threat down and staying alive with its powerful c/d's.
There are pro's and cons with any sort of progression environment. If you have a PLD in your roster, and they are pushing their job to the limit on what its supposed to do. You need to look to the other seven people running with you. Are they pushing the same amount of effort that you are? Are they using food, or pots? Did they even spend their ESO on gear for their raid class? If the PLD isn't up to the standard, that's why we have the armory system. Switch to the Job that shines the most. It will set you back, but it will alleviate the stress. -
08-07-2015, 09:50 PMPr0c3ss0rThat was true before they give WAR Raw Intuition and Equilibrium, WAR can mitigate as much as PLD, if not better in fact. But is all fine with me if you want to keep up a myth about WAR being a weak tank compare to PLD, you can believe that i have no problem with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Launched
WAR/DRK
http://www.twitch.tv/xenosysvex/v/9778547
vs PLD/DRK:
http://www.twitch.tv/fenrir_ilax/v/8683028
vs PLD/PLD:
http://www.twitch.tv/fenrir_ilax/v/9121233
Deffensive wise, there is not a huge gap at all, but DPS wise when it come to multi-Target, the difference is day and night. And let not even talk about WAR on single target with a triple Fell Cleave with berserk on.
If i post a video about PLD MT in shield oath in A2S on a monster pack, you would laught hard (300~400ish dps max) currently isnt viable to use PLD MT mob pack, you would enrage A2S pretty quick.
Is not about how good you are at that point, but the AoE limitation that PLD offer v DRK or WAR, holding more than 1 monster make PLD lose DPS by a huge factor. (each flash = -150 potency DMG) -
08-07-2015, 10:05 PMNFaelivrinComplete and total rubbish? You're laughable. A quick look at your lodestone tells me you have neither completed FCOB, beaten Ravana EX or gotten any tank class besides Dark Knight to 60. So I ask you: What do you know about PLD's endgame? Where does your vast and strong knowledge come from? It seems you have very strong opinions ("endgame sheep"? seriously?) yet absolutely no basis for them. So instead of hollering at me about i190 tuning (most endgame raid groups are already at this or very close to this) how about you address the points I made and bother to actually refute them? I'll be sitting here all day, eagerly expecting you to tell me about PLD's Uber Defenses and Totally acceptable DPS, incredible AoE, and smooth stance dancing system.Quote:
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08-07-2015, 10:10 PMLaunchedI'm curious, have you actually tried A2S as PLD? The other tank in my group swaps to PLD for it because the chance for a block on every single mob hit is too nice, and the stronger mitigation vs physical compared to DRK makes them better at picking up multiple enemies and frees me up to DPS. We cleared on week 2 (with 2 tank accessory drops, so only 2 dps accessories: the same as many groups that cleared week 1), and we cleared at 9:45, with 45s left until enrage. DRK's extra DPS definitely isn't needed there, and PLD's free, constant mitigation from block is actually kinda reliable and very useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pr0c3ss0r
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08-07-2015, 10:11 PMEvergreyWAR/DRK - 00:35-3:00 / 2:25 totalQuote:
Originally Posted by Pr0c3ss0r
PLD/DRK - 00:07-2:47 / 2:40 total
PLD/PLD - 00:02-02:43 / 2:41 total
From first hit to death.
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08-07-2015, 10:21 PMPr0c3ss0rYa, this week i did try for first time, i was shocked how bad PLD was out there, we ended to have our DRK tank pack and me just DPS in Sword Oath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Launched
3rd wave can be all stunned(Insanity), mean you don't even need a real tank, AoE dmg is the key. i just drag hardhelm with the hardmind, and you make all gob insanity then is a dps race. Dragging hardhelm don't need to be in shield oath.
The Key is DPS, while i drag hardhelm in the pack, DRK is doing AoE, then he can also change stance while they all stunned.
We not super far yet in A2S, we still learning it, and is pretty rough, specially for Tank and healer.
CG on clear Rys Sol =) i just hope we can clear this week or next week.
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yep, single target, PLD is a decent match vs DRK and WAR. (less DMG of course, but nothing to worry about) -
08-07-2015, 10:48 PMCatwho
War's DPS is high, yes. But in exchange, a WAR takes a hell of a lot more damage and thus the healer can't do nearly as much DPS. When I'm with a PLD, I at least get a chance to pop on Cleric's Stance and play with some of my DPS toys on scholar. A good DRK, too. When I'm with a WAR, even a very good one, they're going to be yo-yoing too much and take too much from each hit for me to rely on Eos keeping them in the safe zone.
PLD's strength is in its sturdiness, and superior single target threat generation. Should all tanks now be clones of each other?