Why can you do Savage Coil unsynced?

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Yes there is. It's a competing element. Not pop competitive but still competitive.

The entire point of savage coil was a challenge with no rewards but the title. Making it easy to get by smashing it unsynced destroys any value that title has.

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All value in that title vanished when hw came out. the people who got it when it was relevant got the challenge the devs intended for them to get. that's like me getting mad over people farming ravana where people just over gear and not do any mechanics. Which isn't true for savage coil by the way the only thing they don't have to worry about is dps check type mechanic they still have to know and do the other mechanics in the fight.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Yes there is. It's a competing element. Not pop competitive but still competitive.

The entire point of savage coil was a challenge with no rewards but the title. Making it easy to get by smashing it unsynced destroys any value that title has.

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And again, why does it matter if your title is "devalued"? It doesn't.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Welcome to MMO's. I 2-manned the Lich King with my wife a year ago. It was a blast. Old content does NOT matter. Enforcing level syncs and such is pointless.

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Pretty much.... I remember in EQ, raids that used to take a full 72 player raid force to beat. A few years later they could all be single grouped for the fun of it or twinking/flagging/keying alts and second boxes. Even Final Fantasy isn't immune to this, we all heard the stories of XI where Red Mages did the impossible once Abyssea went into full swing.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

And again, why does it matter if your title is "devalued"? It doesn't.

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It does though. It impacts player retention because nothing holds value or feels rewarding. And because it isn't rewarding players drop the game.
It's the same with gear and everything and why people are tired of the endless treadmill cos it's not rewarding and all it does is burn players out.

As for losing value as soon as heavens ward came out thats because of the ops question. If it wasn't able to be unsynced it would still have value as a challenge

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Originally Posted by Core1019

Doesn't that sort of defeat the point of it? Since it drops nothing new, it's just there for the challenge, and the title isn't worth much if you can just scrub your way through it.

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It was a challenge purposely made for people that demanded a challenge. Or so they claimed.

Then when released and discovered you only got a title, most of those "challenge seekers" decided it was pointless to do. Like the rest of the content, sans the 24 man raids, everything gets subjected to unsycning once it's grown stale and moldy.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

It does though. It impacts player retention because nothing holds value or feels rewarding. And because it isn't rewarding players drop the game.
It's the same with gear and everything and why people are tired of the endless treadmill cos it's not rewarding and all it does is burn players out.

As for losing value as soon as heavens ward came out thats because of the ops question. If it wasn't able to be unsynced it would still have value as a challenge

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I don't think "rewarding" is the word you want to use. A rewarding feeling would imply that you feel good for having accomplished it. The feeling you're describing is feeling good because other people haven't. That's very different.

IDK why someone bumped this but arguing undersized option devalues it is stupid as you could already do it with i130 gear and echo which already eliminated "the challenge" of the content which was for i110 gear and no echo.

Good lord why the heck did someone re-bump this 2 year old topic that doesn't even matter. Second coil is old content. It doesn't matter anymore. You should be putting your focus onto Stormblood content. All the content in Heavensward will be face-rolled in Stormblood. There's absolutely no reason to keep content locked behind syncing when it doesn't matter anymore. That's what getting better gear does, make the old content face-roll. If you want the challenge, then sync to it and call it a day. The option is there if you want it.

Just to reply to the people saying that mechanics are important and more dps/hp won't help much in scob savage unsync, nope, I went in with 8 ppl unsynced and killed t7s before even the first gaze lol. I never understood t8s mechanics but it was a really quick burn as well. The only things I needed to know were blight in t6s and meteors in t9s (same as t9 I think, or at least I didn't notice any difference).

Edit: nevermind, those were old posts from early 3.x.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

I don't think "rewarding" is the word you want to use. A rewarding feeling would imply that you feel good for having accomplished it. The feeling you're describing is feeling good because other people haven't. That's very different.

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Rewarding is exactly the right word. the fact that someone else hasn't done something that you have succeeded in only increases the accomplishment factor. it doesn't make it an entirely different thing.

But when others get the same thing for less that's where it destroys the value of the reward.

It's like an Olympic gold medal. People winning a gold medal doesn't make your gold medal any less rewarding or accomplished because they've done the same thing you have to win it.
But if you start handing those golds to everyone even the guy that comes in last and suddenly your gold medal isn't rewarding or theres no accomplishment in having it...

works both ways. if you've just won an Olympic gold it doesn't devalue the reward or everyone whos won one years ago because you still had to do the same thing to get it... thus it is still a reward and an accomplishment