For those who don`t get the problem with red scrips...

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

If you guys do this huge grind, what stuff will you craft to make it worthwhile? OR is it in the hopes that worthwhile stuff will come?

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Yes I am thinking about it long term like that. First grinding to gear up self, then it paying off when new crafted items are added that are more valued by everyone. People can say crafting is dead, but it's a constantly evolving game, so you can't just look at one point in time. Updates happen really often and even little changes can have a big impact. If enough people are complaining, it will also accelerate adjustments to nerf the grind, since the devs do actually listen when enough voices are saying the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

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Oh of course. But then, the more casual you are to an MMO, the less the gating actually matters since you aren't going to reach the limits of tomes/scrips/etc anyway.

I say play at your own pace. Really, the gating just effects those who want everything RIGHT NOW! :3

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

Oh I see. Eh, 11 hours over an entire week isn't actually as great as it seems when you stack it up with your total week time of 168 hours. 11 divided by 168 is 0.06% roughly of your total week time. Barely anything. XD And plus, this gives red scrips longevity past gearing up.

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That's not .06%. It's 6%. You're also assuming that people do nothing but play the game 24/7 here. Even if you take into account just 8 hours a day for sleep you suddenly go up to about 10% of your time ingame every week being spent doing nothing but gathering for red scrips. When you start adding work, family, and other things that 11 hours ends up being a lot more than the pittance you're trying to make it out to be.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

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My mistake. 6%, you're correct.

And yes, it does take into account hardcore players only. If you are talking about casual/midcore players, the percentage does become higher as your time is taken up. However, these limits are designed with the express intent of people who main the category (or are all around hardcore). The more casual you become, the less the limit actually matters.

Yup NO WORD FROM YOSHI... look forward to it

I'm only into gathering and I'm not touching red scrips. They did a horrible horrible horrible job on this.

i wonder what its gona be in 4.0 if they continue this road? gather green scrips to get orange scrips with wich u can buy white scrips with wich u can buy ur mats to craft :P instead of adding something new , SE makes it more and more of a grind everytime lol

edit : well scrips are new , but it seems the only idea they can come up with atm , is more and more grind :P

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

My mistake. 6%, you're correct.

And yes, it does take into account hardcore players only. If you are talking about casual/midcore players, the percentage does become higher as your time is taken up. However, these limits are designed with the express intent of people who main the category (or are all around hardcore). The more casual you become, the less the limit actually matters.

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Except even with capping each week, isn't the current limit around 2 years to gear out all classes..? It's not like it's hard to casually cap battle tomes with plenty of time to spare for other game activities.

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Originally Posted by raela

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Gearing up all your classes is seen as a hardcore play style. As such, it requires hardcore time investment to do. However, caps such as 450 scrips a week do not last 2 years. They actually last for a good 3-4 months when SE is ready to push newer content. When the content ages, the limit gets reduced or removed entirely.

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

My mistake. 6%, you're correct.

And yes, it does take into account hardcore players only. If you are talking about casual/midcore players, the percentage does become higher as your time is taken up. However, these limits are designed with the express intent of people who main the category (or are all around hardcore). The more casual you become, the less the limit actually matters.

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Umm...mate...the more casual you are the more the limits matter. If you can't cap for the week, those are scrips you'll never get to make up. That's the annoying part about weekly caps for casual players. There's no way for them to make up lost ground even when things align and you have the ability to devote more time than life may have previously let you.

This whole system is going to push a whole lot of low to mid tier crafters away from those aspects of the game. At the very least, that is my concern. Honestly...while you can make good money from crafting...you hardly need a lot. You can make more than what your currently need to play the game with just basic gather...such as spending a few minutes to farm up maps every night you can log on.

What I'm also concerned is if they suddenly make red scrips required for progressing other aspects of the game...such as crafters needing that red scrip gear to produce items needed for the relics. If that ends up being the case...and we loose a fair number of crafters due to burnout over this grind...they relic will be negatively impacted.