SCH vs AST?

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Originally Posted by Tashim

AST doesn't have any cooldowns to increase potency, only to decrease it.

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OMG. You have no idea how hard I just laughed at this. This is as blunt as it gets. Oh my goodness! I love you!

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Originally Posted by Tashim

As a sch, I usually out-heal a whitemage, but maybe thats not the norm.

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The only people who should outheal a WHM is another WHM unless somebody is doing something really wrong. Either the WHM is really slacking or you are really overhealing by a lot. Especially since SCH focuses more on preventing damage than healing it back up.

I personally think that AST bring some very interesting things to the party. Depending on their stance they make a good compliment to both WHM and SCH, in theory. Actual implimentation depends on the skill of the player and your party mates. Personally? I think they're fun, they really do require you to be on top of things because your mistakes are more easily seen. However as you get more comfortable to them they are a perfectly fun and fine class. This is just based on my experience with them.

Though I do find it unfair to hold them directly up against SCH or WHM since the playstyle that AST offers isn't really the same as either of the other two available healing classes.

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Originally Posted by NamiNamai

I personally think that AST bring some very interesting things to the party. Depending on their stance they make a good compliment to both WHM and SCH, in theory. Actual implimentation depends on the skill of the player and your party mates. Personally? I think they're fun, they really do require you to be on top of things because your mistakes are more easily seen. However as you get more comfortable to them they are a perfectly fun and fine class. This is just based on my experience with them.

Though I do find it unfair to hold them directly up against SCH or WHM since the playstyle that AST offers isn't really the same as either of the other two available healing classes.

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the thing is that yes, you have to hold them up to either whm or sch, because they compete for spots in raid partys. they both have the same basic role. and that is to keep the party alive. and as it stands the things you lose from not having either a whm or a sch and subbing one for a astro is not as good as just having the tried and tested whm and sch combo.

ofc its completely viable if you have an astro + whatever. just its not as powerful as the whm sch wombo combo.

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Originally Posted by Tashim

As a sch, I usually out-heal a whitemage, but maybe thats not the norm.

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Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

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It's fully possible, whether you think it is or not. Especially the AST part; while in PF, I often outheal ASTs by 50% or more while maintaining 250+ DPS on SCH in Alexander. Just because you're not capable of doing it, doesn't mean other people aren't. And the 1k HPS part? Seriously? With Indomitability and Emergency Tactics, SCH's burst healing capacity is pretty beefy.

I have to agree with GideonHighmourn here. @Rav EX I am pretty consistent with 1.3k (without fairy) hps and that is if I don't just spam my abilties because of why not.

Why are you guys even talking about HPS as if it meant something? It's not some competition where you maximize your numerical throughput in the same way you minmax DPS. I would be more interested in the overhealing % and the added extra contribution in terms of off-DPS. Look, I have all this HPS! Wohoo.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

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Either your SCHs are terrible or they're sitting in Cleric Stance for 80% of the fight.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

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can please stop making scholars looks like sux class? in 3.0 scholars are really fine healer class -.- i can pull +1.5 ~2k HPS anytime anywhere, can solo heal RavanaEX without problem like any other WHM (dont have 190 wpn yet from that bug >,..,< )

http://i.imgur.com/Y6DNIG0.png

im only leveling WHM now because im fed up with double scholar everywhere ~.~