In NA, FFXI released one year after it did in JP

Wait what ? FFXIV has a better combat system than rift or any popular MMO ?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Actually, reading this list FFXI's start doesn't sound at all worse than FFXIV's.
If this is true:
King Behemoth was already in at launch
FFXI had the AH up less than a month after the game came online (people are still begging for one here).
Before a year had gone by the game already had skillchain+magic burst, exp chains, Chocobos, expansion missions, artifact armor, multiple level cap raises and et al.

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This game doesn't need an AH, it has it's own system.

FFXI had only trading and Bazaar system, it had no market system.

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Originally Posted by DNO

good so we agree its a better system.

It is also a not finished battle system. To judge now would be silly but its pretty clear most people like where its headed.

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We can agree it was bad combat system and now it's a less bad combat system. I still think it's boring as hell, the only way i can follow what's going on is when i solo, every party is just a skill spam nightmare and u can't really follow the battle log at all to see who did what and when...

See the point here is that SE launched this game we were all excited about and it turned out inferior to many people expectations and now they have most of the people thinking the game is not finished and most stuff is incomplete and sure it was ok at 1st when the game was 1 to 6 months old... but how long do they really expect you to wait for the game so called completion lol, too me it just lacks too much and by your logic i'll only be able to judge it fully in another year or so.
Anyway i'm happy for people like you who support the game, enjoy it and have hope in it's future, it's not up to my standards, not just this one SE has been deacreasing progessively on the quality of every FF game after XI and i feel it'll never be the same, i wanna stick around and see this through at least for a few more updates but i'm not expecting anything anymore

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

Wait what ? FFXIV has a better combat system than rift or any popular MMO ?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

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What is the combat system for Rift? You stand there and wait for cooldowns for 99% of the things you fight. There is no soloing hard mobs with skill (e.g., think RDM soloing Avesta-style NMs). There is no interaction among party members to more efficiently kill monsters (is there any strategy in party play other then spam abilities?). The only strategy involved is for bosses and its the same played out mechanics we see in WoW. Just my view.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

Play Rift (a popular MMO) and then play FFXIV. In my opinion, you are insane if you think Rift combat is better. Insert any other popular mmo in Rift's place and its the same result. Furthermore, is there any other game (beside XI) that has skillchain/battle regimens? Also, we will be getting chain bonuses soon. I think FFXIV combat is very good relative to the competition.

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SE has some of the best ideas for their MMOs, but they fail at implementation. Their ideas with FFXIV are awesome and I doubt anyone would argue that. But throw in problems with controls, UI lag, etc then they don't look as good. I feel like when people say something like "FFXIV combat sucks", they are talking about issues with targetting, engaging, controls, action lag, etc and not the concept of combat itself.

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Originally Posted by Kobushi

We can agree it was bad combat system and now it's a less bad combat system. I still think it's boring as hell, the only way i can follow what's going on is when i solo, every party is just a skill spam nightmare and u can't really follow the battle log at all to see who did what and when...

See the point here is that SE launched this game we were all excited about and it turned out inferior to many people expectations and now they have most of the people thinking the game is not finished and most stuff is incomplete and sure it was ok at 1st when the game was 1 to 6 months old... but how long do they really expect you to wait for the game so called completion lol, too me it just lacks too much and by your logic i'll only be able to judge it fully in another year or so.
Anyway i'm happy for people like you who support the game, enjoy it and have hope in it's future, it's not up to my standards, not just this one SE has been deacreasing progessively on the quality of every FF game after XI and i feel it'll never be the same, i wanna stick around and see this through at least for a few more updates but i'm not expecting anything anymore

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thats fine you are intitled to your opinon but i do not share it.

The battle system is MUCH better then before and it will only be better after 1.19 and after the job system. I am very happy Yoshi took over.
You guys got to get over the butthurt of launch its been a year already and the game is much better. If you guys are so hurt then leave and stop posting on a games forum that you hate. We have had a year of a free game no other company has done this, this is a pretty good confidence builder IMO. They know they can fix it and they will.

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Originally Posted by DNO

thats fine you are intitled to your opinon but i do not share it.

The battle system is MUCH better then before and it will only be better after 1.19 and after the job system. I am very happy Yoshi took over.
You guys got to get over the butthurt of launch its been a year already and the game is much better. If you guys are so hurt then leave and stop posting on a games forum that you hate. We have had a year of a free game no other company has done this, this is a pretty good confidence builder IMO. They know they can fix it and they will.

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they were not the ones that were QQ and whining about they couldn't do anything besides hit 1111. you were playing the system wrong and could not figure it out so you cried like a 5 year old school girl about it. your base system of AA allows you to just stand there and the game hits for you because you couldn't figure out how to press a button. the changes are due to constant QQ and whining about the old system.

if you didn't like the original system you should have left and went back to your saving grace of xi and left the game that was advertised as different to actually be completed.

your opinion is battle is better post 1.18, but your opinion is not the only one that matters. if someone thinks it is worse then their opinion is just as viable as yours. just remember it was the QQ from the xi base that wanted xi-2 that cried and complained that started the issues anyways.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

What is the combat system for Rift? You stand there and wait for cooldowns for 99% of the things you fight. There is no soloing hard mobs with skill (e.g., think RDM soloing Avesta-style NMs). There is no interaction among party members to more efficiently kill monsters (is there any strategy in party play other then spam abilities?). The only strategy involved is for bosses and its the same played out mechanics we see in WoW. Just my view.

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So no different than FFXIV then ? Or do we not spam skills and wait for their cooldown ?

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Originally Posted by Neptune

FFXI was a much better game in beta than this game is right now a year after release.

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Thank you for confirming that you dont know what you are talking about.

This is the reason I stay. I'm not sure whether it was Tanaka's idea both times, but an early MMO release is one of the best decisions the developers can make on behalf of the players. It gets the product into the players' hands before everything is set in stone. Feedback is given at the most crucial period, and they are able to make the first long term plan concerning content and design.

The same situation is unfolding for FFXIV. Whether you like the state of the game or not, NOONE can argue that the game would be better if it had stayed within SE.

And that is all that can be concluded with certainty. My personal opinion, upon reflecting on FFXI's history and progress, I have no doubt FFXIV will be a great game.