Warrior in Heavensward. A bit nervous about the Overlap with Dark Knights

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Originally Posted by Paikis

I think that a good tank is more than just his class. I would rather have a good Warrior than a mediocre Dark Knight. As long as all the tank classes can do the job, you should always pick the best players rather than the best class.

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I always call them modes: Tank1, Tank2, Tank3. Names are names, but being a real tank is the game. Then you have the available action with each of the Tanks. So far I'm a pro in one of the currect Tanking classes, and I'm sticking to it cause I know how to fully control it. I will try the new Tank class/job, but if I could not control as my current Tank job.. I won't insist on playing it for sake of the stated title 'coolness'.

Has anyone tought how that accuracy in tank stance will affect MT dps? i mean with that change you cant really MT in dps stance without stacking more ACC than needed. Also now that all tanks has proper DPS stance will warriors Defiance also get put on GCD or does PLD and DRK get oGCD stances instead? meh still so many questions...

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Has anyone tought how that accuracy in tank stance will affect MT dps? i mean with that change you cant really MT in dps stance without stacking more ACC than needed. Also now that all tanks has proper DPS stance will warriors Defiance also get put on GCD or does PLD and DRK get oGCD stances instead? meh still so many questions...

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We'll have to see how they actually go with the whole tank stance = ACC bonus. They could make it so either:

1. Bosses virtually require tank stance to hit 100% from the face even with stacking mostly ACC pieces

2. It is a bonus to the current system, and you will be able to ACC cap reliably with or without the tank stance

If it's 1, we'll be seeing lots more WAR or DRK MTing at the farm levels, since Sword Oath PLD will presumably be unworthy. If it's 2, the ACC cost would be well worth the DET/CHR/SS loss if you can tank the content fine without tank stance, considering how no sub-stat amount can make you do 30%+ more. I'm hoping it's 2 and just makes gearing more lax in general but who knows, it could be an attempt to sabotage tank DPS as a whole.

I don't think it's an attempt to sabotage Tank DPS as a whole. If they were trying to specifically do that, we'd be hearing things along the lines of deliberate restrictions on a Tank's ability to acquire Strength. I think this could just be an effort to stop the trend of Main Tanking outside of the Tank Stance. They can't stop it by making the fights just that numerically difficult unless they only want Lucrezia to be able to clear, so playing to 100% hit rate desires just might do the trick.

I personally support anything that could prevent non-stance MTing: it's one of the most downright disgusting things Tanks are currently capable of doing.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Also it was toted in one of the earlier LL that it was a magic tank that used the powers of darkness.

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It could lead to a Dark Knight using "magic damage" instead of slashing, the buff could lead to magic damage enhanced/mitigation or whatever.

Also, there will be Machinist that is going to get some cool tools that will give some debuff to the target, maybe he could use the lacking debuff from missing classes (mitigation/slashing debuff).

Here's two MCH skills: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...I1VGvrnl0/edit

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Weapon Break
Physical Damage Reduction

Mind Shot
Magic Damage Reduction

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As for Dark:

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Hard Slash -> Siphon Strike -> Delirium Blade
Damage Only -> Restore MP -> Applies Debuff to Enemies

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Looks like a multiple ennemies debuff, could lead to an even better Off Tank if it's about add's mitigation.

We'll have to see. If PLD's ability to protect the party is substantial then we could see the ability to increase healer DPS as well. This would also change the landscape of endgame content.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

I personally support anything that could prevent non-stance MTing: it's one of the most downright disgusting things Tanks are currently capable of doing.

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Outside of them actually doing what you mentioned, having tank busters that required full VIT even with maximum mitigation, nothing has really changed. Right now, if you want to hit the front of the boss you need a higher acc cap than the melee - in or out of tank stance. In 3.0, you'll be able to sit at a lower acc and be able to hit the front of the boss in tank stance. That will, however, nerf your damage significantly - so if you overgear the content (or auto attacks still hit like feathers) then you can hit the tank cap outside of tank stance and still be able to hit the boss from the front while increasing the damage you output. More needs to happen to really change anything.

WAR will alway be top dps when it comes to tanks. no if or but about it. I have 585 Crit on My WAR and meet the Accuracy cap for T13. With Defiance and 5 stacks My Crit is never below 30%.

Now if the DPS stance gives a Crit bonus on top of the 2% per abandon stack. WAR's will crit as often as a BRD which will be ridiculous btw lol.
I dont think we should worry about WAR, especially because of the 10% damage down debuff and slashing Buff

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Originally Posted by melflomil

WAR will alway be top dps when it comes to tanks. no if or but about it.

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Bold statement since we know so little about the future numbers.

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Originally Posted by melflomil

Now if the DPS stance gives a Crit bonus on top of the 2% per abandon stack.

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There's no "on top". Defiance gives the critical bonus for wrath.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

There's no "on top". Defiance gives the critical bonus for wrath.

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And Deliverance will give a critical bonus to Abandon Stacks. What's your point? All melflomil is hoping is that being in Deliverance allows us to secure a bonus greater than 10%.