Heavensward Item levels etc

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Originally Posted by Felis

A lv 60 tank body with ilevel 130 would still have the same def as a lv 50 tank body with ilevel 130

level determine what level your class/job need to wear it.
ilevel determine how high the maximal stats on the gear can be.

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I'm not convinced. Look at the Def jump from 40-50 and 30-40.

It doesn't scale at all the same as the ilvl jumps. That is to say if ilvl 40 was the same as lvl 40.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

"Hey guys, I dont need to farm law tomes, cuz my level 50 gear is good enough lolz!, Now lets go do Alexander easy mode <(^.^<)"

Please god no! level 60 gear needs to be at least 40 ilvls higher IMO. We are going to start making WoW look like a "hardcore" game pretty soon if this is the norm.

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I am pretty sure people who believe their 130 gear will be good enough all the way to 60 and into the next raid will be in for a surprise once the expansion comes out. They will probably then come back on the forums upset and post about it.

ilvl 51-54(or 53, can't remember) or such will have lower ilvl gear than 130 gear. You can round out I guess for higher.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

I'm not convinced. Look at the Def jump from 40-50 and 30-40.

It doesn't scale at all the same as the ilvl jumps. That is to say if ilvl 40 was the same as lvl 40.

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What gear are you talking about? The only gear with the same ilvl and different equip levels has the same def/mdef/attribute caps when you look at the same class/job requirements. example:
http://xivdb.com/?item/3213/Raptorskin-Jacket
http://xivdb.com/?item/3214/Aetherial-Raptorskin-Jacket

You can come up with DoW/all jobs gear vs tank gear of the same ilvl, but it's not the same thing. Gear class plus ilvl determines max stats on an item.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

What gear are you talking about? The only gear with the same ilvl and different equip levels has the same def/mdef/attribute caps when you look at the same class/job requirements. example:
http://xivdb.com/?item/3213/Raptorskin-Jacket
http://xivdb.com/?item/3214/Aetherial-Raptorskin-Jacket

You can come up with DoW/all jobs gear vs tank gear of the same ilvl, but it's not the same thing. Gear class plus ilvl determines max stats on an item.

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http://xivdb.com/?item/3102/Steel-Cuirass - HQ - Defense 74 - Required Level 30 - ilvl 30
http://xivdb.com/?item/3149/Mythril-Cuirass - HQ - Defense 102 - Required Level 40 - ilvl 40
http://xivdb.com/?item/3241/Militia-Cuirass - HQ - Defense 146 - Required Level 50 - ilvl 55
http://xivdb.com/?item/6709/Lord's-Cuirass - Defense 148 - Required Level 50 - ilvl 60
http://xivdb.com/?item/7445/Protector's-Cuirass - Defense 153 - Required Level 50 - ilvl 70

http://xivdb.com/?item/8944/Dreadwyrm-Armor-of-Fending - Defense 167 - Required Level 50 - ilvl 130

Required Level 40 - 50 is a 44% increase in Defense. (and yet it is only an increase of 10 ilvls)
ilvl 55-130 is a 15% increase in Defense, but is 75 ilvls

So Required Level 60 @ ilvl 130 will be 167 Defense? That does not make sense to me given the previous scaling.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

I'm not convinced. Look at the Def jump from 40-50 and 30-40.

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We are talking about gear with the same ilevel
lv50/ilevel130 will have the same def like level 60/ilevel130

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Originally Posted by Felis

We are talking about gear with the same ilevel
lv50/ilevel130 will have the same def like level 60/ilevel130

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I don't think that those Aetherial items should be included in the gear scaling. They seem to be a bit of an anomaly as they are really just HQ items from a higher tier that you are allowed to, in some cases, equip sooner.

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But in saying that I doubt be would see Required Level 60 - ilvl 130 anyways.

I'm just stating that this whole jump from 50 - 60 seems really strange.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I am pretty sure people who believe their 130 gear will be good enough all the way to 60 and into the next raid will be in for a surprise once the expansion comes out. They will probably then come back on the forums upset and post about it.

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I am pretty sure people who believe we will be replacing our 130 gear at level 51 are in for a surprise as well. Also to the person you quoted its already been stated that ilvls are not increasing as much as we are use to until 3.1, so a 40 ilvl jump isn't going to happen just from going to 60.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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So ilvl scaling isn't linear, therefore it doesn't exist? None of your examples show that higher ilvl can mean lower stats.

If we compare like for like

NQ:
20: Iron Cuirass 39 def. 3 vit
30: Steel Cuirass 58 def. 5 vit(+19, 48.7%)
40: Mythril Cuirass 82 def. 8 vit (+24, 41.7%)
49: Cobalt Cuirass 111 def. 10 vit (+29, ) (32.2 level adjusted, 39%)

It seems that in this case the defense of an item relative to its level increases at a declining rate as your level increases in percentage terms.
Green:

15(17): Plundered Cuirass 44 def. 3 vit
24(26): Eternal Shade 63 def. 5 vit (9 levels = 43.2%) (adjusted 48%)
32(34): Cavalry Cuirass 85 def. 8 vit (8 levels = 35%) (adjusted 43.7%)
44(46): Sentinels Cuirass 127 def. 9 vit (12 levels = 49.4%) (Adjusted 41.2%)
50(55): Vermilion Haubergeon, AF 146 def. 15 vit (9(11 ilv) levels = 15%)

This clearly shows a massive drop off after 50, since they don't all increase at linear levels it is hard to be consistant on what the increases are but it is clearly following a similar trend to the NQ equipment until it hits 50.

If you was to follow the natural figures you would be looking somewhere below a 37% increase over 50-60 in def terms eg: cobalt cuirass 111 def = ~152 def for a level 59 NQ cuirass. Maybe somewhere around 38% for a green piece so you would expect at an equipment level 54 item level 56 ~175 def.

Now post 50 current gear looks like this

ilv 55 - 146 def.. (15 vit)
60 - 148 +2
70 - 153 +5
80 - 155 +2
90 - 158 +3
100 - 160 +2
110 - 162 +2
120 - 165 +3
130 - 167 +2 (59 vit)

I assume this is just purely for balance and the increases in stats is what is more important than defence here there is a difference of 19 in defence but 41 in VIT. If you then go back and look at the primary VIT stat between all the previous gear it increases by a tiny amount until it hits 50 where it skyrockets. 3vit - 10vit (+7) between 20-49, from item level 60-90 you gain +15 VIT which is much more per item level than before.

Looking on from this it seems square will have a bunch of rebalancing to do as either:

A: Current i130 gear have too much in raw statistics. STR/VIT etc...
B: Current i130 gear have too little defence.

My assumption would be as stated earlier they take a middle ground (i90) and continue on from there for 51+ up until 60 where they will begin at 140+. Then it is anybody's guess whether they decide to follow earlier formula's for adding on defence or continue on with their current one at level 50, I can't find any evidence to prove what square may be doing for gear post 50 and there are so many ways they could do it.