You are not a fail.

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Originally Posted by Shirana

the point is people should play like they want. For fun.

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Time to start trolling runs. Thanks for the approval!

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Originally Posted by Shirana

the point is people should play like they want. For fun. And not being harassed over it. Or shouted at for not being good enough for a forced play style.
When an undergeared healer is being harassed for failing to speed run a dungeon it's not playing for fun it's being told what to do in an angry manner. When a tank doesn't find speed runs fun he shouldn't be harassed for not doing speed runs. When a DPS doesn't enjoy spamming crappy AoE's because he or she does not fun to spam one button he or she shouldn't be shouted at for it or treated differently.
I apologize if my point came off wrong. I'm not in anyway a master of making essays.

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I won't harass people over it but if somebody is willingly wasting other people's time because of their own reasons, I have every right to point it out to them.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Except no. The way the game is intended to be played is the players can do within the rules of the game. If the game intended for healers to not damage, they wouldn't have nearly a third of their arsenal of spells being offensive spells nor would Cleric Stance even exists. The game doesn't intend for players to always and do mechanics every single time when they can easily be skipped (Normal Amdapor Keep's last boss) when reaching a certain treshold of gear.

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As it happens, I believe that you are wrong, the use of level sync in the pre-50 dungeons clearly demonstrates the intent to maintain the difficulty of content despite the gear ladder. SE has been extremely tardy in applying ilvl sync to the 50+ dungeons, and that has created an issue where highly geared players can, as you point out, ignore mechanics. That is the result of SE not yet applying the same balance to the 50+ dungeons as they did to the pre-50 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Except it actually does go to the original post because the two verbs gives two different road to the topic at hand. It's clear as day that this topic is a "I play like I want because it's my 15$ while foregoing the other 45$ of the party".

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Odd, I didn't get that at all, what I got was a supportive post telling players who get harrassed by others in dungeons that it's OK to play your class and not conform to the expectations of others to play beyond your role, gear, ability or desire. If anything else, the OP was inferring that calling others a fail in the circumstances mentioned is the wrong thing to do. Of course that is my opinion, but I feel it's a hell of a lot closer to the OP's intent, than what you wrote.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

So playing how you want without care of other players is how DF is intended these days, kay.

Think there's a difference between a forced speedrun that wipes the party than going slightly faster for the sake making the run easier/less boring.
If you healer is standing around doing jackshit 80% of time, maybe pull more if they aren't willing to dps.
3 people decide to burn boss (ei tyrant in sirius, 2st boss in cutters) and you decided say fk u to your party and do what you want making it harder for everyone.
Your party decide to handle some boss mechanics in some way and you decided otherwise screwing your party is INTENDED. aka coil/ct series.

It's DF, you meet 3-23 other people, be a bit compromising.

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And those 'examples' have zilch to do with the topic.

Oh my goodness, Kosmos IS against pushing phases and bleeding edge play. People should just stop arguing with her then. she's set in her ways and wants everyone else to follow suit. That's very rude of you kosmos, forcing people to play ways they don't want.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

I won't harass people over it but if somebody is willingly wasting other people's time because of their own reasons, I have every right to point it out to them.

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There's nothing wrong with that or trying to go a little or a lot faster. I'm posting against people harassing others over it, or trying to force people into different playstyles that makes them feel stressed out and to thank courteous players who aren't mean about it.
So thank you.

edit: fixed a typo

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Originally Posted by Daranion

Saying someone isn't trying their best isn't calling someone bad. If I sat there tanking 2 groups of mobs and not popping any CD, just relying on shield oath, I wouldn't really be trying my best would I? If you have the tools and the means to do it, and you consciously refuse to do it for whatever reason, you just aren't trying. that's not calling you bad, just saying what it is. Lack of effort, or maybe you just want to relax during the run, who knows.

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Or maybe it's lack of familiarity with said dungeon. First few times I run something on my tank job, I only do a couple pulls at a time, once I familiarize myself with the enemy layout to where I personally feel comfortable, I start pulling larger groups, usually increasing by one pack at a time until I find my limit. Apparently this means I'm not giving effort though, cuz I'd rather spend a couple extra minutes killing things than spend double that wiping to trash cuz I pulled more than I knew I could handle

Yea. This argument is going to go no where. You get 2 different people wanting to play how they want, IE one wants slow one wants fast runs, then what? Both raging at each other for the other impairing their ability to play how they want.

Point- it goes both ways and both sides need to learn to compromise and stop acting entitled and selfish.

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

that stuff you said

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Isn't the argument assuming it's NOT your first few times at that rodeo and rather just people just chilling because they jsut don't have the drive or care to try and push even more? I'm right there with you as one tank to another. you dip your toes into the water, not jump in without looking. My post isn't saying you have to be HARDCORE 100% ALL THE TIME SPEEDTIME. I'm just saying that if you have the means to do it ie; the knowledge, gear, and skill and you still don't do it for lack of care, then yeah you're not triyng enough.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

Oh my goodness, Kosmos IS against pushing phases and bleeding edge play. People should just stop arguing with her then. she's set in her ways and wants everyone else to follow suit. That's very rude of you kosmos, forcing people to play ways they don't want.

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Excuse me? What in the hell are you talking about? I love that 'bleeding edge play' thing though, does it make you feel good to play a the bleeding egde, do you feel advanced and elite? ::rolls eyes:: Personally I hope that every player who thinks like you does in fact not play with me at all, it will make my life, and the lives of the other players around me a whole lot more pleasant not to have to deal with pro-bro players with the mentality you're displaying.

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Originally Posted by Shirana

There's nothing wrong with that or trying to go a little or a lot faster. I'm posting against people harassing others over it, or trying to force people into different playstyles that makes them feel stressed out and to thank courteous players who aren't mean about it.
So thank you.

edit: fixed a typo

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This is why I dislike the current coil and mostly just avoided doing it even when i'm ilvl 123 (thats with no dreadwymn btw) people stressing other people out.
Thats no fun.

Its also a chicken and egg problem where you can't have one without the other,
People won't take you to coil without experience, but you need experience to actually beat coil. Go figure.