Raid runs and gear drops

By the way Rogue, don't you think you should probably kill Batraal first before you think you can do this...

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Originally Posted by Rogue

i could get a party of archers and mage and get my sword tomorrow.

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A lot more to consider in a speed-run opposed to a normal run.

wow now i got a R48 telling me how to play?

burst damage does matter when you got 10-12 skelies to nuke down... you gonna put dots on em?

Its entirely more reliable that the archer wont take damage rather than the melee.

i have a feeling some of you guys are saying stuff that you actually havent experienced, i think its likely that none of you have completed a speed run w/o full archers... to be perfectly honest

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Originally Posted by Rogue

wow now i got a R48 telling me how to play?

burst damage does matter when you got 10-12 skelies to nuke down... you gonna put dots on em?

Its entirely more reliable that the archer wont take damage rather than the melee.

i have a feeling some of you guys are saying stuff that you actually havent experienced, i think its likely that none of you have completed a speed run w/o full archers... to be perfectly honest

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1. Burst down all the bones at once, no need to spread out or kill a couple at a time. Archers have wide volley and an array of other AOEs they can use (Leg Sweep from LNC is boss btw; conal AOE stun (Lv 16 LNC, probably would only take an hour to get to that level); PGL Aura Pulse is actually stronger then Archer AOE for that kind of burst vs bones. As long as MRD is in steadfast, they'll destroy anything that comes in their AOE range (i.e. bring the skeletons to the MRD's)

And if you want to maximize the DPS, anyone with Line of Fire use it, Shock Spikes II use it, Punishing Barbs use it.

2. You probably shouldn't be talking about having not experienced it. At least on the character linked to this account, you haven't even cleared Batraal in a "normal run".

go away keftank lol

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Originally Posted by Rogue

go away keftank lol

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Aaaah, the good days achievments didn't exist, right ?
Btw, archers have their fair share of pros surely. But speed run with melee is entirely possible if your players aren't fools. And skeletons tanking it's way more easy with melee, and they die soon as archers

"I’m very sorry for any inconvenience caused by the absence of Battle Regimens, especially to those dungeon-crawling types who’ve developed a taste for Dzemael Darkhold’s time-based objectives. If it’s any consolation, the large-scale changes to battle algorithms planned for 1.19 will cause certain strategies to go out of fashion, and players will need to tap into their resourcefulness to discover new ways to overcome enemies."

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Originally Posted by Ilean

"I’m very sorry for any inconvenience caused by the absence of Battle Regimens, especially to those dungeon-crawling types who’ve developed a taste for Dzemael Darkhold’s time-based objectives. If it’s any consolation, the large-scale changes to battle algorithms planned for 1.19 will cause certain strategies to go out of fashion, and players will need to tap into their resourcefulness to discover new ways to overcome enemies."

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And Dzemael Darkhold will not be the end-game next patch too, there probably will be a newer shinier one to replace it (Ifrit?)

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Originally Posted by Rogue

wow now i got a R48 telling me how to play?

burst damage does matter when you got 10-12 skelies to nuke down... you gonna put dots on em?

Its entirely more reliable that the archer wont take damage rather than the melee.

i have a feeling some of you guys are saying stuff that you actually havent experienced, i think its likely that none of you have completed a speed run w/o full archers... to be perfectly honest

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Oh my god Im such a noob because I am only r48 and obviously I know nothing about the darkhold because im not rank 50, even tjough its a r45 dungeon omg imma have to kill myself after this revelation.

/sarcasm off

I have been playing since alpha have you? Also I can use wide volley on my LNC, I can also stun ALL skeles with leg sweep while doing damage, oh and if I want and can get placement right I can hit multiple mobs with skewer 2 or twisting vice.

Also I like the way you only mentioned about my burst damage comment burst damage also DoT isnt just DoT spells its general damage over time, how can I put this you could take a mobs HP bar to half with ARCs then they all die because of the hate generated, whereas if you take thier HP bar to half over time with melee, the tank will keep hate and you will win because melee will survive.

Melee runs require thought to go into them, which is probably why you need to use ARCs because you cannot think a melee run through because you do not know the basic mechanics of the game. Have you even done a melee run its not as hard as you think if you do it right, and if you are using LS members it should be no problem they might even beable to tell you how stun works if your really good.

thanks mariya lets wait and see

I haven't completed Bartraal yet, but my LS did. I usually only changed class to ARC at Bartraal, because I hate Ghost, that's all. But apart from that part, LNC is perfectly fine, especially at the room-ful of Skellies, in fact I have more burst AoE damage then when I was doing ARC and we usually clean out that Skelly-room in about <30 seconds of Bombardment.

Also if you can line up BR properly and quickly enough, it's tempting to have someone other than an ARC to queue last. Honestly Archer Weaponskill are not that amazing when it comes to BR buff-ed up, and you only need Bloodletter once.