Who actually got conj , so that hey could be a dmg mage ?

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Originally Posted by Gicker

I agree with Kamaru, your tone is condescending Coglin. You may have the facts on your side, but you have yet to provide any evidence of that, and you claim that that's not your problem, but you continue to argue your point with long winded responses, so obviously you care about defending your position. Honestly, either come up with the links, or stop acting so haughty about things. I don't necessarily disagree with your points, but your attitude sucks.

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so are just trolling me or are you an idiot?

I posted the magazine name and the month of the issue for the interview in which the jobs to come were named, and you want to mention my attitude, if your too simple to look it up GTFO.

If you want more info beyond this interview, look them up yourself and stop telling me I have a bad attitude towards lazy trolls. If I am gonna have a bad attitude, then directing it at trolls......notice you are the only 2 posters on the entirety of the forums who are not familiar with this information?

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Originally Posted by Coglin

so are just trolling me or are you an idiot?

I posted the magazine name and the month of the issue for the interview in which the jobs to come were named, and you want to mention my attitude, if your too simple to look it up GTFO.

If you want more info beyond this interview, look them up yourself and stop telling me I have a bad attitude towards lazy trolls. If I am gonna have a bad attitude, then directing it at trolls......notice you are the only 2 posters on the entirety of the forums who are not familiar with this information?

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This is the bit in the magazine translation that Coglin is talking about.

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ジョブシステムで実装予定しているジョブは、決定しているものが、ナイト、モンク、白魔導士、黒魔導士、竜騎士、吟遊詩人（ジョブ名はすべて仮称）※たぶん、戦士を言い忘れたと思われる。
For job system the jobs that are planned and decided are Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragoon, Bard (Job names are temporary) *Probably forgot to say Warrior.

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Notice no where does it say that these Jobs mentioned are the first wave of jobs coming only that they are planned and decided. Nor does it say which job is attached to which class, taking anything more from this translation is simply interpretation aka opinion and not fact. Its unfounded to make these claims of absolutes as players have been on these forums/elsewhere.

My opinion is i think its likely that Conjurer will get the Whitemage job but i think its very much up in the air as to whether or not blackmage will go to thaumaturge or if thaumaturge will get another job altogether in the first wave. As a Conjurer i would rather be a blackmage and i wouldnt be surprised if a large amount of the mage community as a whole(not just conjurer) would pick the same when given the choice of white or black.

It would be a really big mistake for SE to take 2 classes such as Thaum and Conjurer and only allow them to unlock 1 class. They will have to do some heavy lifting to get me to believe that a Thaumaturge should be unlocking Black Mage when Conjurer has EVERY skill that has traditionally been the Black Mage skillset in every FF they've produced. It makes no sense to assume this is how things will occur. There are a large number of people who chose the conjurer class specifically because it matched up much closer to Black Mage then Thaumaturge did. If they turn around and lock Conjurers into a healing role that would upset a large number of people.

How they handle the move from the current classes will make or break the game to be honest. If they keep the bar pretty low for entry into each class then that will ease alot of the pain. Expect to see a rather large number of upset Conjurers if the requirement to open up Black Mage is to level up Thaumaturge to anything much higher then level 20.

I think it'd be best if they gave both BLM and WHM to Cons (I mean, CON makes the most sense when it comes to both those jobs...) and give THM some other jobs like... RDM? SMN?

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Originally Posted by Danavia

I think it'd be best if they gave both BLM and WHM to Cons (I mean, CON makes the most sense when it comes to both those jobs...) and give THM some other jobs like... RDM? SMN?

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SMN would be closer to conjurer lore wise imo~

I, like many others in this thread, read the classes before I played the game on a wiki somewhere (Zam I think). I have always been a magic dmg dealer in the games I played (mage in WOW, sorceress in D2, etc.). I read over the list of abilities for each class and thought that the conjurer was going to the the class that fit my play style (due to flare, tornado, fire, thunder, etc). Whether they name a CON a BLM or WHM doesn't matter to me too much as long as they don't remove my elemental nukes. I choose CON for the elemental nukes and would suck to lose them.

EDIT: Not exactly happy I have become the healer but I do it anyways. Someone in this thread said you can still nuke as a healer. For easier content I agree, for harder content they are wrong. I healed my first faction NM the other day twice and there was not time to cast many spells at all. And to proper nuke as a CON it helps to use PROFUNDITY II + Nuke but that takes ~5-6 seconds and your tank could be dead by the time you queue up a heal. I did single heal the NM. Maybe if we duo healed, I may have had time for nukes.

I looked at the FF11 spell list, since Yoshi-P seems to be taking notes from it, and I feel CON will be Black Mages and nuking again soon. I'm leveing up my CON to nuke once again.

BOLD = CON
UNDERLINE = THM

FF11 Black Mage Spell List Lvl 1-30 Due to after 30ish you get to the "Spell II and Spell III"
Stone
Poison
Blind
Water
Bind
Aero
Bio
Blaze Spikes
Drain
Fire
Stonega
Shock
Blizzard
Warp
Rasp
Waterga
Choke
Ice Spikes
Sleep
Thunder
Frost
Aeroga
Burn
Poisonga
Aspir <---Siphon Mana
Tractor
Stone II
Drown
Firaga
Escape
Shock Spikes

Now FF11 White Mage Debuff/Attack Spell List (People tend to forget that white mages are debuffers too)

Dia
Paralyze
Banish
Slow
Silence
Banishga
Diaga
Banish II
Dia II
Banishga II
Flash
Repose
Holy
Banish III


The THM thread has deeper research on this if you are interested. This includes my lore research on why THM will, probably, be White Mage.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Future-of-THM

Okay, so I'm not sure if CON will get BLM or WHM either, BUT I also feel like Con should be the 'black mage'. I mean seriously, unless SE is 'rebranding' what a Black Mage is, CON is already the game's black mage (Elemental Nuker.)...but I also am slowly resigning myself to CON opening the WHM job and THM getting BLM.

Now to Coglin, I did also see where the "Dev team" was translated as sayingthat each class will initially get to unlock on job AND the list of jobs...and when I read it I was bummed because I thought 'Crap, Con's gonna be a White Mage....I hate THM' But, when you have this 'I'm right you're all wrong...and how could you be so dumb to not know that this is gonna be the WHM mage class' attitude, it makes people not want to listen to you. (post below)

All translations courtesy of Kristina_Farron from the Official Forum. (found in a post on THM forum by Klive)

Highlights

1.18 will include a visible "Hate Meter" in addition to the adjustments to the Hate Algorythms.
Healing spells will be split into single target Cure and AOE Curega in 1.18.
Ifrit battle goes live 1.19.
The Materia system will be introduced in 1.19 as the main source of "uber" gear (ie better than NM drops).
The finalized job names so far are: Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragon Knight, and Bard.
In the future, they hope to add "Combined Jobs" with multi-class requirements (ie Conjurer + Thaumaturge = RDM).
A summer event is currently in the works (FFXIV needs moar bells).
The developers view the PS3 release as FFXIV's "last chance."

*However, I don't speak Japanese and therefore, the original post could have said 'Everyone in game gets a pink bunny and I'd be none-the-wiser* So while this is the original post I read awhile back, and others probably saw it too, nothing makes it 'official' or what the Dev's actually said (Although to be fair, everything else in post did happen thus far.)

Also, Coglin you forget, many of us started playing last September under the old dev teams descriptions of the classes and their plans for them. We ranked our Conjurers expecting that when the class opened up, it'd be BOTH a Healer and Elemental Mage. We based this on the descriptions we were given, the spells we learned and our knowledge of past FF games AND other games with similar mages.

So we weren't 'wrong' when we thought of CON as a BLM...it IS a BLM. Where we are all getting our panties twisted is they are considering changing us to not a BLM...and technically, we've already been made 'Healers'. Because yes, you can still play the game as a DD mage but good luck getting consistant parties or even clearing some Dungeons/NM's right now with the 'I'm a nuker only' attitude...it just doesn't fly right now. (Not saying it's fair or right...just what is going on in game right now.)
Here's actually what conserns me more AND made me come to the 'CON-WHM' conclusion:

Yoshi P. also already told us that they are going to rework/adjust spells traits and abilities amongst the DOW/DOM classes to make the job system more efficient.

Alongside the overhaul to the algorithms, work is also proceeding on redefining and redistributing abilities for Disciples of War and Magic. This is a hefty amount of work, and not all classes will be ready by patch 1.19. But rather than a partial release, we’ve decided to save the implementation of all classes for 1.20. We’ll make the details of the planned changes available when 1.19 goes live, and monitor player feedback as a way to help define our direction. In the meantime, we’ll keep on performing balance tweaks to the current class system in coming sub-patches based on ongoing feedback from the community. -Yoshi P, Letter from the Producer 8/15/11

So this is what actually probably supports Coglin's CON=WHM job more. They are planning on swapping spells and abilities between classes to make the job system work/more balanced. So the real problem we CON's have is this; Sure NOW we are the mages with Flare, but nothing is preventing SE from taking that away from us Although to be fair, no where in that post did they say 'Hey THM's and CON's get ready for some serious spell re-assignments'...so this is just speculation. But they are trying to brace us already for it...in my experience with SE that means 'Lots of you are not going to like this.'

Now my gut still tells me this CON= WHM/BLM ...and that really THM is the mage they messed up job-wise. I think SE would be better off letting CON unlock WHM now, but not releasing BLM at all currently. Also, they need to give THM a better class to unlock, Necromancer or Red Mage maybe. If for no other reason than this: CON's circular AOE is superior to THM's for Nuking but THM's cone AOE is a MUCH better buff/heal/support AOE.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Because the devs said so. They said for now, each class will have one and only one job. They listed BLM and WHM as the only 2 caster jobs. Those are facts from devs post.

I am not asking you to like or agree with it, but to get on the offensive with me because I simply work off the devs information is illogical. If you didn't read the post at the time the devs posted it, I am sorry, but I am not posting links so you may catch up to what is common knowledge. Do your own research my friend.

Secondly, I am not debating whether some are right or wrong, thats not an issue. My debate is based on the reasoning some are posting as to how they came up with there logic for it. You don't have to like it. But I am not gonna sit here and read how elemental nukes = BLM while they deny the posobility of CON being WHM because they have cure/protect/shell, which are much more logically linked to healer then elemental nukes are linked to BLM.

As Gicker mentions, CON have to have some form of damage. The only forms of damage we have in game are Blunt, Pierce, Slash, Water, Ice, Earth(all 3 affinities make up umbral), Fire, Thunder, and Wind(the three of which make up astral).

The logic of Blunt, Pierce, or Slashing seem nonexisted for options for CON as its main form of damage, thus only leaving the Elemental affinities. Based on the fact that they got elemental affinity damage over physical damage in no way makes them a "logical assumption" to be BLM wgile supporting the cure/curaga/protect/shell abilities.

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Ah, fun fun fun ^^ "Because the devs said so" ^^ Please link to that post :D Ive read every post that has popped up the last 2 months and nothing about 1 job per class! This is what you think. Please don't lie just to try to save your face.

Medura, just because you are incappable of locating it, doesn't mean it does not exist. Not every dev stetement is posted on the forums, they do interviews very often. Your saving face comment is laughable at the least. If you don't wish to believe it, thats your issue not mine.