Tank Weights

Thanks a ton Dervy, I think even with the questions left unanswered in the skill speed argument (what if you can only get an extra Heavy Swing in in a 9-hit zerk, etc), the numbers you produced in that model show that its it imperative to get that 9th hit in on berserk. I think we are close enough to a clear answer to definitively say that 9-hit berserk is needed for any serious DPS producing WAR.

I would just like to pose a question. So stated that the value listed under every case (all three cases of actual numbers) actual causes the ironworks belt of fending belt to be under a melded crit, skill speed, and capped det Wootz plate belt by ~2.5 weighted points. Now the gain in the grand total averages if stack high enough can be higher then the augmented belt as well. So besides second wind healing does the improved attack power generate any benefit that is lost going with a higher weighted item?

Uhhh, sorry it's a poorly worded question. But from what I could gather, you're asking how else a decrease in strength would affect the Tanks if you chose to opt for higher weighted, pente-melded gear?

It would affect your overall EHP. Strength, even though it's very minimal, affects the amount of damage you'd mitigate from your Blocks and Parries.

I believe the EHP formula is:

bHP = Base Hitpoints of Job
VIT = Total Vitality of Job

EHP = (bHP + 14.5 x (VIT – 245)) x (100/(100 – % damage reduction)

Damage Reduction = (0.0876 x Shield Block) + 9.7804 + (STR Tier)

STR tier: http://i.imgur.com/BbXymyY.png

Now unfortunately, no one has done any work on Strength tiers beyond this point, and people even assume that Strength tiers don't exist, but rather strength has linear gains per point just like SkillSpeed (1 SS = 0.00952), which I actually believe is the truth.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Thanks a ton Dervy, I think even with the questions left unanswered in the skill speed argument (what if you can only get an extra Heavy Swing in in a 9-hit zerk, etc), the numbers you produced in that model show that its it imperative to get that 9th hit in on berserk. I think we are close enough to a clear answer to definitively say that 9-hit berserk is needed for any serious DPS producing WAR.

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HS is over half the damage of a Butchers Block. If you're just missing out an HS, I can assume the SS weighting would be in the 0.7X range, off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by Sakasa

Penta-Melded Wootz Plate Belt vs. Augmented Ironworks Belt of Fending

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From a purely DPS-oriented perspective, the Wootz Plate Belt is ahead. However, you're effectively trading 6 VIT for ~2.5 STR, which is a very poor trade (not to mention you lose 3 (M)DEF). By no means do you NEED that 6 VIT or 3 (M)DEF, but there are far more effective trade-offs for STR.

That said, it does mean that the Augmented Ironworks Belt of Fending is a rather low priority upgrade, if you already have a Penta-Melded Wootz Plate Belt; I'm still using it for this reason.

As for Attack Power/STR, Dervy covered most of it. I would like to add that Berserk affects Attack Power, specifically. Ostensibly, this means that while your effective STR is ~11.11/8.33% higher (Berserk on 90s CD/Synced with Unchained), your DET is not. I'm not sure if Dervy's simulation accounts for this nuance or not.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

HS is over half the damage of a Butchers Block. If you're just missing out an HS, I can assume the SS weighting would be in the 0.7X range, off the top of my head.

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Yup, which more than doubles any other sub-stat. High Five!

In my own made tests of different shields, on 1000 hits samples, block rate [%] = 0.0988 * shield block rate + 7.0078
So if you will use 0.1 * shield block rate + 10 for simplicity then results will be correct also.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

Uhhh, sorry it's a poorly worded question.

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Sorry about that was too focused on stating the observation of weight per the piece with the effective lost of Str with out the obvious stat cap for 110 vs 130 and lost proper structure in the process. EHP I was aware would go down did not know the str scale for parry/block though hasn't been tested since the i90 jump.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

I would like to add that Berserk affects Attack Power, specifically. Ostensibly, this means that while your effective STR is ~11.11/8.33% higher (Berserk on 90s CD/Synced with Unchained), your DET is not. I'm not sure if Dervy's simulation accounts for this nuance or not.

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Thank you I was aware of the trade off was against me if I already had the augmented belt but this is what I specifically was looking for as I didn't know if there were factors outside berserk such as updates in the damage calculation that I have missed.

First i have to say amazing job Dervy and thanks alot!

I have a question regarding Paladins and Fracture..

Is it a DPS increase to add fracture into the rotation? Do note that during the duration of Fight or Flight it is possible to put in two fractures.

Yes it is, but barely. When using Fight or Flight, then you should use fracture. Then, every 3 Rage of Halone combo's, you should use a fracture, and use it again when you have Fight or Flight.

Alternatively, the next best way to do it, is to only use Fracture with Fight or Flight.

The difference between using and not using fracture is very, very small.

Question..

With the current gear you'd miss out on alot of crit and det if you want to crank up your SS for that 9th hit. Isn't this a global DPS loss compared to that 9th hit?

Also you can pop it after your heavy swing to get the last swing of zerk on the BB.