I don't know what it's called but it isn't right...

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Originally Posted by Dubont

no evidence that they are RMT. Move along.

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I've seen groups like these before. RMT prefers having their parties filled with Lalas with nonsensical names, led by a high rank hyur or other race. This is how they generate Gil in leves.

So yes, they should be banned.

That isn't actual proof though. STF can't do jack unless they catch them in the act.

alright here is my take on this RMT lala crap.
This is a company (SE) who has the right to ban anyone they
think as suspicious. This is not the US Supreme Court where you
are only charged with the crime that you were caught in.

It's a game. If they feel it is RMT actions (which, no duh it is)
then they can and most likely eventually will ban/delete the accounts within question.

People's logic on here is straight backwards.
So if somebody came and stole your stuff and you called the police
and the police came to your house and said,
"well, we didn't see anyone do it. There's that suspicious guy standing over there with a big bag. Hmmm. Owell, we didn't see him do it though so no point in questioning him"

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

First of all... Posting a live URL to a known RMT site. Brilliant. /sarcasm

Secondly, I have to concur with what was stated.. You do seem to become awful defensive when ever someone brings up the topic of RMT, going off on lectures of "what RMT is and isn't", etc.

Why are you so quick and eager to lawyer up and defend what others are doing when it comes to that particular topic?

And you always bring it back to "what you do"... almost like you feel the need to justify and explain your own behavior, even when your own behavior isn't what's being called into question. Guilty conscience?

Anyone who's spent more than, say, a few months playing a MMO with active RMT in it has seen those character trains and can very safely guess exactly why they're there and what purpose they serve. To try and dismiss it because "they're not doing anything illegal right that moment" is really rather disingenuous. I'm sure we all know exactly in what context the OP asked their question. You're the one trying to make it about 'what they're doing right that second', completely ignoring the larger point being made.

The saying, "the lady doth protest too much, methinks", seems to bear relevance to your posts on this topic. Question is... why so defensive?

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Why so defensive? Ok, I'll tell you why. People are making accusations and basically raising the pitch forks without any real proof. Is this behavior odd? Yes, but there is absolutely NO PROOF in this SS that this group is RMT related and even less proof that they are bot related. Posts like these are what create games like FFXIV at launch. Everything in the game was an anti-rmt/ anti-bot measure and look what happened. Here we are a year after launch and a lot of those "limitations" are still in place and a lot of players have left while the RMT and botters (2 different categories of players btw)are still here. People are QQ about RMT obviously haven't played very many MMOs and they are the ones that are the cause of game flops like this one. Stop the QQ and live with it. They are everywhere and you're crying isn't going to do anything other than cause SE to make more freaking mini-games for everything that RMT and botters can just pixel-farm and be ok with it.

tldr: This SS proves nothing and the pointless crying needs to stop since it does nothing but cause games to be released with a score of 4.0

This nonsense of condemning people as RMT, bots or both for not responding to other players is ridiculous.

If you conclude that based on the circumstantial evidence you have that someone may be a RMT or a bot then the correct course of action is to document your circumstantial evidence and submit it to the STF. These public forum lynch mobs of popular opinion based on a screen shot, a silly series of names, and a lack of responses to a player come self-appointed RMT investigator are not the appropriate venue for your grievances against others real or perceived. They also contribute nothing to the community discussions about the state of the game and don't even qualify as amusing trolling.

All MMOs have RMT and bots. It is an ongoing issue (in general) and the respective MMO companies have appropriate channels through which to funnel complaints and comments on the issue; this ain't it.

P.S. Dubont damn you for basically saying what I said while I was proof reading my post lol. <3

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Why so defensive? Ok, I'll tell you why. People are making accusations and basically raising the pitch forks without any real proof. Is this behavior odd? Yes, but there is absolutely NO PROOF in this SS that this group is RMT related and even less proof that they are bot related. Posts like these are what create games like FFXIV at launch. Everything in the game was an anti-rmt/ anti-bot measure and look what happened. Here we are a year after launch and a lot of those "limitations" are still in place and a lot of players have left while the RMT and botters (2 different categories of players btw)are still here. People are QQ about RMT obviously haven't played very many MMOs and they are the ones that are the cause of game flops like this one. Stop the QQ and live with it. They are everywhere and you're crying isn't going to do anything other than cause SE to make more freaking mini-games for everything that RMT and botters can just pixel-farm and be ok with it.

tldr: This SS proves nothing and the pointless crying needs to stop since it does nothing but cause games to be released with a score of 4.0

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dont act like an RMT jerk off unless you are an RMT jerk off. SE should ban anyone doing this and if hey dont wanna be banned they shouldn't do it. If nothing else they are taking advantage of the game.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

dont act like an RMT jerk off unless you are an RMT jerk off. SE should ban anyone doing this and if hey dont wanna be banned they shouldn't do it. If nothing else they are taking advantage of the game.

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so SE should ban everyone who has ever multiboxed? Ok..so..your 2k player base is going to drop down to about 200. Good job.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

so SE should ban everyone who has ever multiboxed? Ok..so..your 2k player base is going to drop down to about 200. Good job.

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yes they should ban anyone who multi-boxes 8 accounts at the same time.

They shouldn't allow more then 3 accounts to be logged in at a time from a player.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

yes they should ban anyone who multi-boxes 8 accounts at the same time.

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but why? It is not against the TOS in any way shape or form. It is perfectly legal, within the bounds of the game and it's rules, to run multiple accounts at once. This is not a bannable offense and should not be as there is absolutely no reason to do it other than to prevent RMT. SE tried to make a game that was anti-RMT...it got a 4.0 and flopped horribly...

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Originally Posted by Dubont

but why? It is not against the TOS in any way shape or form. It is perfectly legal, within the bounds of the game and it's rules, to run multiple accounts at once. This is not a bannable offense and should not be as there is absolutely no reason to do it other than to prevent RMT. SE tried to make a game that was anti-RMT...it got a 4.0 and flopped horribly...

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First off, yes.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

dont act like an RMT jerk off unless you are an RMT jerk off. SE should ban anyone doing this and if hey dont wanna be banned they shouldn't do it. If nothing else they are taking advantage of the game.

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Second, this is crazy old man on his porch yelling at passing kids territory... Go back to screaming at your fridge for poisoning your food when you're asleep.