I really didn't understand the issue.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

This reminds me of a squatter who used a loophole to buy a house for a dollar, his neighbors got mad at him because he was able to find a way to get what he wanted. So what did his neighbors do? They went around with a petition to get him kicked out of the home and have the loophole fixed.


You know the funny thing, the loophole was LEGAL too.

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That's real life.

Real life is not concerned with gameplay balance or customer satisfaction.

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Originally Posted by TurnBased

That's real life.

Real life is not concerned with gameplay balance or customer satisfaction.

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You're not getting the point I'm trying to make then.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

You don't understand how RMT works, or so I understand your post. Let me take that down for you:

People pay real money, get in game currency. This currency isn't "directly put into the game" as the RMT company had to grind the hell out of it to ge them. They are gils created by the game and belonging to the RMT. The only banable fact is that they are selling it for real money, which is against ToS because you don't own anything your character has, thus you can't sell it.

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Actually I don't think RMT companies grind much these days. Most of the gil they sell are from hacked accounts.

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Originally Posted by RinKaen

Pay to win what? I just made 5m in about 10 minutes, bought me a house I probably wouldn't have gave two craps worth grinding for.I'm really breezing through content now.

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5m will get you a FcoB clear. Or it will until Wedding Band inflation causes merc run prices to go up as they capitalize on P2W players.

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

Actually I don't think RMT companies grind much these days. Most of the gil they sell are from hacked accounts.

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that's still gils created by the game though, not gils coming out of thin air just because you wanted them. Doesn't change the point

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

that's still gils created by the game though, not gils coming out of thin air just because you wanted them. Doesn't change the point

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Not denying your point. Just pointing out that RMT is a lot more shady than some people think.

When you play a SUB based game - you expect to be able to get everything via effort.
The ability for someone to pay money in order to get gil has always been frowned on - but yet people are now saying thats fine as it's their own real money and they are selling an item to a player ect

It's slightly better than RMT sure but... it's still paying for an advantage which I do not think SE was aiming for. I think the wristlets were tradable to allow you to give them to your partners - I don't think they actually thought on players selling them for crazy amount of gil...

I suppose things may level out though once people have purchased all the houses/expensive MB items that they require

Again, I wouldn't even care if this didn't affect me or other players than those doing it, but it does. For as long as housing is a limited content, people able to make gil through means that not everyone has access to (and trust me, for some people 20$ is a lot, and this process of gilmaking is just something they cannot afford) will have an edge to accessing that limited content (buying houses) and lock RL-poorer players out of it. This needs to be helped now, before all the Richie Rich players claim all the mansions with mains and alts to create a gardening empire.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

For as long as housing is a limited content, people able to make gil through means that not everyone has access to (and trust me, for some people 20$ is a lot, and this process of gilmaking is just something they cannot afford) will have an edge to accessing that limited content (buying houses) and lock RL-poorer players out of it.

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Think this might be why SE is actually looking into it. Don't want players to have an alternative means of getting large amounts of gil and climbing the steep wall that is personal housing quickly.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

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*snipped, I don't like that I got so caught up in the moment that I wrote what I've removed here. I apologize, Adam*

Well, the fact that you can buy a house with gil sort of invalidates your entire ideal of "They are only getting these items at a much faster pace." I can no longer get that house anymore. They've literally consumed the opportunity by spending real money on gil, and there is no way to compete with this if you don't already have the gil other than also spending real money. Suddenly, the size of your wallet in real life can affect how quickly you can achieve goals inside of the game.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

Again, I wouldn't even care if this didn't affect me or other players than those doing it, but it does. ...

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Yes! Exactly this.