Hunt Mob Entitlement?

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Also, you didn't read my post

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Seems more like I just mistook your post as a response to my recent posts rather than a post directed at the OP. Apologies.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

On my server, there is an LS that people can drop in and out of when they join a hunt party where all members report spawns as they happen. It's easy enough to get into, and I don't have an issue handling the zerg.

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The issue isn't getting into a group, the issue is A Ranks have turned into something hundreds of people turn up for, when they were clearly only designed for a full party at most; even some of their promotional stuff before Hunts were released has A Ranks being soloed, not zerged by the server. Myself, and plenty of other people, simply do not find handling the content in that way to be remotely fun or interesting. I'd much rather solo an A Rank than gather with everyone else and blindly build enmity for credit. Joining a group is not going to allow the content to be enjoyed the way I want to enjoy it. Currently I can either simply not enjoy the content, or obtain the gear at an absolute snails pace.

If you're not doing Hunts the same way as everyone else you practically become a social pariah, all for the crime of wanting to enjoy the content. There is no middle ground, and there should be.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Not really. It was meant to get people to socially network with one another to find the hunts. The most effective means of doing that is working in a large LS collectively to locate and find them.

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This is wrong. Naoki has said he did not expect people to do what they did (hunt LS, alerting entire server), which clearly means they didn't intend for everyone, their fathers, and their dogs to join in on the hunt.

What annoys me with hunts, is how some people turn up 10mins later and whine in chat it got ninjad.
Prime example,last night n n-shroud girtab spawned, people waited five mins then pulled and it died.
I went to do dailies and 5mins later someone in shout said "pls reset" when I pointed out it was dead they screamed I was a ninja...
And moaned for a few minutes about how ppl like me destroy the game, I didn't even pull it lol

Before the recent hunt changes when we went out to kill hunt mobs none of us would call it out. We found one, we pulled immediately, and killed it. If others showed up in the process, fine. It's not my obligation to tell you where something is, nor is it my obligation to wait for unknown players, so you can get your loot for free. Even when I wasn't hunting I laughed when people complained about others not giving out pos or not waiting for more people to show up, or people not reseting the mob. Be happy you can touch my hunt cause in FFXI it was first come first served. FFXIV players are babied in every way.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

(which some console players simply can't, I'll remind you)

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This is exactly why you should be more respectful. I feel so sorry for PS3 players. They are light years behind everyone else in terms of seal acquisition. :\ Doesn't that bother you?

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Originally Posted by GalkaBikini

This is exactly why you should be more respectful. I feel so sorry for PS3 players. They are light years behind everyone else in terms of seal acquisition. :\ Doesn't that bother you?

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Yes, that's why I want to see Hunts adjusted?

Pretending everything is fine because the majority have all agreed on how to handle Hunts isn't helping, SE will just assume everything is fine while the voice of the minority is silenced by the majority claiming the minority are doing something wrong.

Like I said, there should be a middle ground so all kinds of people can enjoy the content, not just; "Join the Hoard of go f&ck yourself", like we practically have at the moment. The Mark Bills were a nice idea terribly implemented, 38 weeks just so I can glamour my Bard and Paladin? Someone at SE is off their rocker.

Because a lot of people (not everybody), feel that all the content that the developers create for XIV is intended for them. On top of that, they feel that the content has to be available for them at all times. People need to understand that hunts are a competitive open world content. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think for an MMO to be a success, they have to offer content for a wide range of gamers in order to reach out to as many people as possible.

Yes, those expecting people to announce the location of an NM and wait a few mins for people to gather are being entitled. Player A who found the boss is in no form of social contract to help others out, but they may choose to do so to help others who would benefit.

In the same way people who expect others not to let a door swing closed on them if they are a few paces behind are being entitled. Person A who has just walked through the door is in no form of social contract to help others out, but they may choose to do so to help others who would benefit.

In both cases, 'Person A' has an opportunity to help others at little personal cost. In neither case do they have to. In both cases the convention is that they should.

So don't be surprised if someone complains about NMs not being held, we complain when doors are allowed to close in our faces too. It's just manners.

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

People need to understand that hunts are a competitive open world content.

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If SE intended on hunts to be competitive PVE then they would have made it so the hunt mobs are claimed by the party that attacks it first. So I have no reason to believe this and to my knowledge SE has never claimed otherwise.

Ninja has not been released yet, so therefore this is no "ninja-ing". I would say the hunters discussing the issue were jumping the gun, but the gun class has not been released yet either.