How much do you think personal housing will be?

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Originally Posted by Kayo

Personally I think they should just do it like Wildstar has. Your own little instanced property where you can go crazy placing all kinds of crap into. No it doesnt need to be some manufactured personal floating island (even though magic floating islands kind of fit with FF). I mean look at THIS thread

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That was almost enough to get me to play wildstar. What an amazing housing system.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

That was almost enough to get me to play wildstar. What an amazing housing system.

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Yup. The game may not be to everyone's taste, and the bugs just kill it for most, but they have by far the best housing system I have ever played. Ive only ever heard of some comparable ones like Star Wars Galaxies and DCUO, I think.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

I could have sworn reading an interview where they stated that Personal Housing would be done similar to FFXI's (and something related to the word moogles?)

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Mog House? You had a moogle in the center who would allow you to access your storage as well as place furniture around. The moogle would give 3 quests to expand the storage space.

Also thanks for reminding me of the BGM for mog houses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=808iE1jxfQE

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Originally Posted by Magis

Mog House? You had a moogle in the center who would allow you to access your storage as well as place furniture around. The moogle would give 3 quests to expand the storage space.

Also thanks for reminding me of the BGM for mog houses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=808iE1jxfQE

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They were also free

I would think they go for about 50-75% of the original fc house costs, in order to reduce the need of many wards and relieve stress on said wards being made, since Yoshi himself stated 850k wasn't going to be enough for a house, that's already near the 50% mark once a small drops after set time in pricing.

But then again, who knows for about 2 and half more weeks before we might see the details. Just keep saving.

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Originally Posted by Kayo

I wouldnt doubt it. Wasnt FFXI housing done this way?

Personally I think they should just do it like Wildstar has. Your own little instanced property where you can go crazy placing all kinds of crap into. No it doesnt need to be some manufactured personal floating island (even though magic floating islands kind of fit with FF). I mean look at THIS thread

Its unbelievable what players have done. And the best part is its dirt cheap to start. By level 15(?) you have your own land, and a basic starter home. Yet the system is so deep and complex that players have WANTED to spend tons of gold buying parts to customize it to their liking.

THIS is how housing is done SE!!! This is what players prefer. What you have now is just a slightly improved copy of the LOTRO housing, and those became ghost towns really quickly.

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This would be nice... this would be very nice.. lol

Can't imagine if SE uses the current system for Personal Housing, even better if the district for personal is the same as for FC.. oh that'd be terribly useless.

Pipe dream is we get a way to unlock a pocket of the void, or some aether plane (Mother Crystal loves us and gives us a home?). And then it could logically explain being able to change environment, and growth of the land. Also that way you could make little towns of your own with your FC which I think would be -the- best.

Making a town system might be way too much to ask for, but I don't think asking for a way to organize housing bubbles together or using a similar system we have now but dedicated to FC would be too much to ask. That way personal houses do not create a void of use from the free company house, and the free company house doesn't make the personal house feel useless (because they're all together).

Sadly I expect SE to look at things and go... "Gee, a few people have eleventygazillion Gil on their characters, we should price housing very high to remove that money from circulation", thereby screwing those who dont have a King's ransom in their pockets.

They seem to constantly add things that are easy/affordable for the filthy rich, and leave very little (if anything) for the people who arent hoarding vast fortunes.

I'm doing my best to hold out until 2.4 and see where SE is taking this train at that point. IMHO they've been screwing the moogle pretty hard with every patch since launch, but a good housing patch and new class could redeem them.

Sadly, I dont have high hopes based on their track record to date. :(

EDIT - And yes, Wildstar is housing done right. But, SE is good at taking things other games do well and screwing them up completely.

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Originally Posted by ExKage

I could have sworn reading an interview where they stated that Personal Housing would be done similar to FFXI's (and something related to the word moogles?)

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I went back and researched this interview. He was actually describing Personal Rooms within an FC House. They are very similar to FFXI's housing model -- it's an instanced room within a zone where you can place your own furniture. As far as Personal Houses, it's still up for debate and speculation:

Siliconera's Summary of Personal Housing:

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Originally Posted by Siliconera

Housing:



* Plans for personal rooms in Free Company housing were briefly detailed. According to Yoshi-P, this will be similar to the Mog House from Final Fantasy XI, where you can decorate it and other players can enter. Players will be able to grant permission for visits from other players.



* As for personal housing, you’ll need a level 50 character and get up to a certain rank in the Grand Company. This will be introduced sometime after the Free Company’s personal rooms are made available in Patch 2.3, and the size will be a little larger than the ones at the inns. The prices will be around 850,000 gil, which Yoshida says might be a bit too much, so it could be lower.



* Ul’dah isn’t exactly too popular as far as a Free Company housing area goes, so it’ll be completely revamped in scenery with nicer night skies, and less mountains and rocks that obstruct view, and more.

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Slycer's Translation on BlueGartr:

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Originally Posted by Slycer

Q: Will you add additional housing area in the future?
Yoshida: We have it planned for patch 2.3. We performed some optimization of the instances for housing in patch 2.2 and it seems to be running pretty well, so we'll open some new areas.

Q: How will the individual rooms work?
Yoshida: There will be some command like "make room for members" in the Free Company house to generate the rooms. We haven't finalized the specifications 100% yet, but you'll be able to enter the room either from the front door or through the main room. The room will be a bit larger than an inn in the three cities and individuals will be able to place furniture as they like within the room. You'll be able to set different configuration preferences.

Q: Tell us about individually owned homes.
Yoshida: Private homes are simply land which can be purchased by individuals, but you'll have to have a certain grand company rank and be level 50. We're working hard on this but we're getting down to the wire on whether we can get private homes included in time for 2.3, so it might not be until 2.35. It would be tough to set the price (of private homes) as low as 850,000 gil. It's not going to be as high as free company owned housing.

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Reinhart's On-The-Fly Live Translation:

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Originally Posted by Reinhart

y; personal rooms are coming first, i’ve mentioned we’re working on both personal housing/room
y; one where you can purchase your own land/house, the dev team is first working on the personal rooms first.
y; they are both working on at same time but personal room will be released first then house after
y; in 2.3 we’re going to see how much land is going to be available
y; we’re also making it so the night sky is really beautiful, and also got comments saying the water looks dirty
y; so in dev environment those parts are fixed
y; we’re making detailed fixes
y; first we said lets go with the looks and getting the details fixed

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And the updated transcript from Famitsu:

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Originally Posted by Reinhart

Q: Will additional lands be added for the housing?
Yoshida: We are planning to add in patch 2.3. The optimization measure that was placed in patch 2.2 for the internal housing process (instance share) is working good, and looks like there isn’t any technical issue as well, so should be able to increase land.

Q: How will personal rooms work?
Yoshida: For personal rooms, first the Free Company needs to have the house. Next, specific member needs to select a command to “make a room” to make members individual rooms...... the flow is something like that. Currently we’re looking into how the players enter the rooms, either you go directly to your room from the entrance, or maybe first go through the main hall first to get to individual rooms. The size of the room is little bit bigger than the Inn rooms from the city nations. Players can freely decorate the interior of their rooms. The player can set an option to allow everyone from Free Company to be able to enter the room or not.

Q: Please tell us about personal housing!
Yoshida: The requirements to own one is be level 50 and have your Grand Company rank increased to certain rank. In patch 2.3 release we first want to release the personal rooms. Personal housing will come later but release timing should be too far out. (For personal housing) 850k gil won’t be enough. We won’t make it as expensive as the Free Company housing.

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It is important to note that Siliconera has a summary, while Slycer's (and Reinhart's second) translation is directly from the Famitsu transcript that they put out after the interview, so it's verbatim. Reinhart's translation was done live, so it is of course very short and terse, though it picked up the meat of the topic. In all three instances it is implied that it's land that will be purchased, not an instanced room in a zone (like Personal FC Chambers or FFXI Mog Houses). In Slycer's translation it also implies that the cost will be much higher than 850k, while the Siliconera summary seems to be a misinterpretation of Yoshi-P's interaction with Takai. This is ironically left out of Slycer's translation because Famitsu focused more on the subject matter than the in-jokes Yoshi-P and his team like to add to their interviews and Live Letters. Slycer's translation is also more relaxed natural while Reinhart's is more rigid and direct, however both translations gets the point across.

Despite this aged information, there won't be an instance that makes everyone happy. If it's instanced like FFXI, people will complain that personal houses lack personality. If it's like FC housing, people will complain that houses aren't it's not big enough or too expensive, or both.

Of course this was all in April so their plans could have changed, but it's highly unlikely.