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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

Ok have fun having mediocre dps. The science you speak about is some random post from last year with low gear and made by someone that din't really give any good info.
The diference is even bigger in the new coil because either you have huge up times like t8, or you have small up times like t9 and you have to do all the damage you can before the boss jumps.

Besides you are trying to tell people with real high end experience that know what they are doing how to play their job when you haven't even finished t6.

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Mind telling me how much DPS you do on turn 8 if you're doing it manual? I got 319 DPS at ilvl 96 with a Tidal Wave Bow and popping 2-3 mega-potions.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

Ok have fun having mediocre dps. The science you speak about is some random post from last year with low gear and made by someone that din't really give any good info.
The diference is even bigger in the new coil because either you have huge up times like t8, or you have small up times like t9 and you have to do all the damage you can before the boss jumps.

Besides you are trying to tell people with real high end experience that know what they are doing how to play their job when you haven't even finished t6.

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I use the macro. I pull 340-350 in t8 @i96 brd depending on paeon requirements. In fact, I've never been out-parsed by another bard AND I use legacy controls. I don't consider this mediocre by any stretch so I don't really know how to respond to your comment!

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Originally Posted by ShiningMeow

Mind telling me how much DPS you do on turn 8 if you're doing it manual? I got 319 DPS at ilvl 96 with a Tidal Wave Bow and popping 2-3 mega-potions.

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Ermm i don't have the details atm, if you wait a bit maybe i can ask what was it this week on t8. I think it was 360+ but i don't really know.... That's popping one TP song and 1 Ballad. My item lv was 98 with the Rosenbogen. My gear is kinda bad, i have terrible luck with high allagan gear.... i only got 1 ring ><

What i can tell you is that in the first half of the fight on t9 i get an average of 320+ That would be phase 1 and 2.


@ Coconut
If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

Ermm i don't have the details atm, if you wait a bit maybe i can ask what was it this week on t8. I think it was 360+ but i don't really know.... That's popping one TP song and 1 Ballad. My item lv was 98 with the Rosenbogen. My gear is kinda bad, i have terrible luck with high allagan gear.... i only got 1 ring ><

What i can tell you is that in the first half of the fight on t9 i get an average of 320+ That would be phase 1 and 2.


@ Coconut
If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.

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TBH I parsed myself with my BL macro'ed to my Heavy shot and without the marco, no diff in DPS.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

TBH I parsed myself with my BL macro'ed to my Heavy shot and without the marco, no diff in DPS.

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You must be doing it wrong, it's impossible to not find any diference because your attacks will come out first. Using the macro is like having a longer global cooldown.

straight shot, bloodletter, windbite, flaming arrow, venom, repelling shot, heavy shot, blunt arrow, heavy shot ( repeat heavy shot ) <---how I'd open up a boss fight, gets all your non-gcds on cooldown, all dots activated too.

then: refresh dots, keep bloodletter, miseries end, shraighter shot procs, buffs, blunt arrow, flaming arrow, and repelling shot all on cooldown. ( unless needed for task, such as silencing )

never cancel a gcd for a non gcd, far better to cast bloodletter/miserys end after that next straight/heavy shot/venom/windbite, than cancelling a skill ( wasting time/dps )

Probably best to cast quelling strikes along with barrage, especially with a tank you don't know.

Biggest flaw I see bards make is to not sing when they should, don't be one of those ><. If grouped with a monk/drg, don't forget paeon in AOE situations. If grouped with a blm/sum, don't forget foe. Be mindful of healers MP, don't make them ask you for ballad. Don't forget battle voice either, for the more intense moments.

While blood for blood is a great dps boost and should be gotten by every bard, invigorate is absolutely essential. Imo, bards should just come with this skill....

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

You must be doing it wrong, it's impossible to not find any diference because your attacks will come out first. Using the macro is like having a longer global cooldown.

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So you must be always right? Seriously I have been using manual all the while until recently I tagged BL to Heavy Shot for convenience and nope, there isn't a difference.

There might be a difference if you are tagging more than that, such as Heavy Shot-BL-Straighter Shot together but if it is just Heavy Shot (GCD) and BL (OGCD) together, it won't make a difference because whichever is available first will fire off first, such as BL will fire off first if Heavy Shot is still on CD.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

So you must be always right? Seriously I have been using manual all the while until recently I tagged BL to Heavy Shot for convenience and nope, there isn't a difference.

There might be a difference if you are tagging more than that, such as Heavy Shot-BL-Straighter Shot together but if it is just Heavy Shot (GCD) and BL (OGCD) together, it won't make a difference because whichever is available first will fire off first, such as BL will fire off first if Heavy Shot is still on CD.

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You clearly know nothing about the GCD que system. You can't que attacks that are inside a macro. So every heavy shot, you are attacking late and hurting your uptime/dps.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.

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Could. Operative word.

If you're perfect, you could do more damage. Maybe you're the one BRD in 10 thousand who can play full manual and not "lose" DPS from missing a GCD, missing a BL, or whatever.

i106 BRD with Rosen, doing 2-3 rounds of Foes and 1 full duration BV Ballad doing 375 DPS in T8. He uses 3-in-1. I suppose he sucks.

Maybe you should try this the other way around; you're using the 3-in-1 wrong if it's giving you that much of a DPS loss.

Edit: Also without Selene.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

@ Coconut
If you pull that with the macro then why not try and make it even better without it? As dps you should try to do what is better for your damage.
You can try to play Monk with macros but that doesn't mean you are doing the best you could be doing.

Don't get me wrong, i used the macro for a long time, but there's no point in denying that without it you could do more damage.

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I parsed myself before I even started using the macro ages ago, I didn't want to switch to something that would turn my output into garbage. There was no discernable difference in dps, with a lot less effort on my part. If people want to be stupid about it and use off gcd whilst gcd isn't ticking down then yes, probably you would see a difference. I'm not stupid though, so there is little to no difference.