2nd Job Predictions

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

In Final Fantasy 1 the Red Mage becomes the Red Wizard and could use all weapons. Even as a Red Mage he could use swords and daggers. Do you have examples of red mages not using swords at all?

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just quoting her :
"RDM isn't iconic to using swords, it's just one of the type of weapons it was capable of wielding"
Never said that RDM can't use swords. Olus that was right, RDM isn't iconic to using swords. When they're locked into specific weapon types, it's either rapier or staves/rods, with a very few exception (thinking of excalibur in FFXII)

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

While I see that part I see no hard time creating a new DPS job out of Bard that works in a different way. What I have a fun time seeing though is SE making a healer out of BLM ;) Blizzhealer will be best healer :D Make it happen SE!

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That's because bard is a support ._.
When SE finally release the support role as a distinctive branch, I think bard will be seriously nerfed to become more an utility job than what we have now. And we may see ranger to fill the dps role ^^

Red mages are combat mages. They can use swords and rapiers. If we look at their outfit they were fencers in FF 11. And it were the players that made them backline healers.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

just quoting her :
"RDM isn't iconic to using swords, it's just one of the type of weapons it was capable of wielding"
Never said that RDM can't use swords. Olus that was right, RDM isn't iconic to using swords. When they're locked into specific weapon types, it's either rapier or staves/rods, with a very few exception (thinking of excalibur in FFXII)

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I made a point that the RDM used swords from day one. You rise a valid point, but I was wondering if someone could bring an example of the job not being able to use a sword to support the argument/point. I gave evidence against said argument, I am looking for evidence for their argument.
P.S. Basically when were they locked into staves/rods.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

I made a point that the RDM used swords from day one. You rise a valid point, but I was wondering if someone could bring an example of the job not being able to use a sword to support the argument/point. I gave evidence against said argument, I am looking for evidence for their argument.
P.S. Basically when were they locked into staves/rods.

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They are not that much locked into one type of weapon.
Putting it simply, they could use all types of weapon in FF I, III and V.

FFTA locked them with rapiers, which were put aside of the other swords.

FFXII locked them with maces, with the exception of a handful of great holy swords :
Claymore, Defender, Save the Queen, Ultima and Ragnarok.

Most traditionnally (artbooks and stuff) though, they are drawn as rapier/staved wielder.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

*eyeroll*

Do a quick search of Red Mage in google images and tell me how many swords you see compared to other weapons.

Red Mage, without a doubt, is a Iconic Sword job. They're entire imagery is based off of Spanish and French fencers and musketeers.

Yes, mechanically, they could equip a great variety of weapons, that's due to being a jack of all trades type. But as an Icon? Sword, specifically the fencing styles.

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sure, because everyone know that fan art is the official source of what a red mage is. And even with that, 90% of the drawings/cosplay are FFXI related, so irrelevant as one game can't possibly be enough to justify a trend.
The others are FF1/3/5, where RDM could use any possible weapon, so still irrelevant.
And I could make you notice that a lot of official images/figurines of RDM are using staves or maces

Moreover, although a rapier is a sword, the FF series have always put distinctions in the class of swords. There are longsword, short swords, 2h-swords, greatswords, and rapiers, which cannot be equipped by the same jobs in all games.

Basic jobs have the short swords (squire, rogue), when the knights have access to longswords, paladins wield greatswords, and the fighters/darknights and equivalents have 2H-swords. The red mages got the rapiers in share.

And please don't spread misinformation, musketeers have never used a single sword in their life. They were gun-wielder fighter (using muskets). their outfit inspired RDM's one, but certainly not their way of fighting.

*eyeroll*

Do a quick search of Red Mage in google images and tell me how many swords you see compared to other weapons.

Red Mage, without a doubt, is a Iconic Sword job. They're entire imagery is based off of Spanish and French fencers and musketeers.

Yes, mechanically, they could equip a great variety of weapons, that's due to being a jack of all trades type. But as an Icon? Sword, specifically the fencing styles.

AMEN SISTER!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

And please don't spread misinformation, musketeers have never used a single sword in their life. They were gun-wielder fighter (using muskets). their outfit inspired RDM's one, but certainly not their way of fighting.

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Except that if you ask anyone what a musketeer looks like he will say something like that :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...musketeers.jpg

You know the "one for all and all for one" with the swords ?

also in FF3 and 5 they use only swords and what the other mages can use as weapons ( staff and bows ) and in FFTA they use rapier.

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But if you want examples of RDM not using Swords at all ask people who played FF games and when they never used sword on RDM

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In my case, pretty much never. This includes XI in defiance to the playerbase.

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FFXII locked them with maces, with the exception of a handful of great holy swords :
Claymore, Defender, Save the Queen, Ultima and Ragnarok.

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Since when was there a job system in XII?

When I played in FF 11 I had my RDM job using a sword and shield as well.

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Originally Posted by Deedsie

Since when was there a job system in XII?

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A special edition of FFXII was released only in japan with the Zodiac job system where there was the 6 jobs from FFI as classes as well as other changes and new contents.