New 15 minute timer is awful for Primals/Bosses

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Please change it back to 5 min to vote abandon. Often you can tell after 2 wipes that your group can't beat something. For example if the same person dies to landslide twice in a row on Titan EX you know you aren't going to beat the fight due to that one person. With 15 min vote abandon someone now has to take the 30 min debuff just so everyone else can leave.

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Not really no. Got my 1st Moggle Mog kill yesterday in such a case. 2 wipes under 15 minutes, a dps bailed out because "full il90 can't fail with noobs" (true quoting). Then we got an other dps and one-shot it. Also, there are no penalties for leaving a premade group. if you expect a swift completion or a quick dismissal in case it doesn't work, use PF

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

Lol. If people are wiping within the first 5 minutes I don't wanna waste my time. There's no way that party will make it through the fight with just "practice" from that one run. I've been in way too many hopeful practice parties until the timer runs out to know that it never works.

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Strange, Ultima learning parties often wipe in under 5 minutes. Yet most succeed within the 60 minutes time limit

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

Lol. If people are wiping within the first 5 minutes I don't wanna waste my time. There's no way that party will make it through the fight with just "practice" from that one run. I've been in way too many hopeful practice parties until the timer runs out to know that it never works.

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That's not necessarily true. Your experience isn't everyone's experience. I've definitely been in groups that have been a little hopeless from the get go, but I've also been in groups that have learned from practice, even with people who died early on, so saying it never works isn't really true. I've seen it work plenty of times. Some people need to learn by wiping several times, and seeing the mechanics first hand a few times before really getting the hang of it, not everyone learns at the same pace, unfortunately. And the duty finder pretty much exists for people new to the fight to try their hand at things, or so it seems.

But then again I have pretty much limitless patience for wipes, and I like to help people learn and get through content, even if it takes several tries, or the timer runs out, so I'm personally happy with the change, though I can see where others might find it bothersome.

You can't force people to want to play with you just by changing the game to force people to stay with each other. Sometimes I wonder how many of you interact with people on a normal basis when you think simply sticking people in a room for 10 extra minutes is going to do a damn thing. People are just going to "DC" or votekick someone random instead of vote abandoning.

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To make people give an honest try. Trying to abandon after 1 or 2 failures isn't an honest try.

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Bingo.

Suck it up, complainers. People jamming the vote abandon button after one little mishap was infinitely more annoying than this ever will be.

The only thing i could trade the 15 minutes timer for is the requirement of EVERY SINGLE PLAYER having to accept tha abandon vote.

Do you think this will make people want to hang around and try to function instead of what they were doing previously: carrying you?

No, now you'll just see people go back to AFKing after 2 or so fights. Guess what? There is no penalty if you are kicked from a DF group. Once one person is gone, the rest do not receive a penalty either.

People who love this change sure do not understand anything about how DF works. I suspect that's because the OF has a lot of people with fresh 50s acting like they've cleared all the content in the game...

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

It's annoying... you get players completely under geared and the group has to wait 15 minutes to get out bc that person or persons won't leave.

It's not abuse if half the group wants out.

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How can they be completely undergeared when they met the requirements for the said dungeon in the first place?

Solution here is to ask SE to higher the ilvl requirements for the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

How can they be completely undergeared when they met the requirements for the said dungeon in the first place?

Solution here is to ask SE to higher the ilvl requirements for the dungeon.

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Temporary fix due to lag time from SE: revert the change.

You mean people have to actually try instead of attempting to game the system in an attempt to bypass the drop timer or take the 30 minute penalty? Good.

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

How can they be completely undergeared when they met the requirements for the said dungeon in the first place?

Solution here is to ask SE to higher the ilvl requirements for the dungeon.

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They're not undergeared. MMO players just have the mentalty Faceroll level = Geared anything else = Underggeared.