i90 Does not make you a good player

I base good players on how much commendation they have received . Most good players are tanks and healers. There are a few good players who are DPS but they are few and far between .

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

People who use Ilevel as a basis for anything deserve to be shipped back to WoW.

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The system imposed ilvl was kinda needed. People just aren't going to survive Titan HM with 2800 HP.

Also, the ilvl requirements SE put in even seem jacked up. I want to see a video of a full party of i67 people take down Titan Ex.

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

So... just to be clear:

Clearing Coil in 10(Huh? Turn 1, ALL turns?) minutes = Waste of Life.

Failing the gear check miserably, and wiping over and over = Would rather do.


Ok, I think I understand.

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Unfortunately, I doubt that you do. But to each his/her own.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

The bottom line is actually in response to the quote directly above it, not to you. But am0n is just trolling, so I shouldn't have even bothered.

I think everyone is missing the point of this; I'm just saying being full i90 doesn't give you a right to act superior/ a jerk to anyone. That's my opinion, disagree if you want.

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Honestly, the bottom line actually is this:

Beating WP SR's over and over again doesn't make you a good player, and the Mythology Tomestone instances should be much harder and require more thought and skill to complete.

You want gear to represent skill (As do I). In most cases a full ilvl90 player today still has a higher probability of being skilled. Wait 2 more months, and then you will see the unskilled Myth Cappers in full AF+1 who hav eno idea what theyre doing after WP and AK.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

People got along just fine before Iscores. There are other ways of checking gear without such an obvious and overly simplified mechanic.

In fact, back in the "good old days" there were actually different stat requirements for different encounters. I guess that is too complicated for the target audience in this case.

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Still doesn't change that the number is useful. Part of the problem with gear that you can't tell if is an upgrade or not, is just that. Not all players play to play the numbers game, they want "is it better or not". For the gear that is better for different encounters, it becomes a burden, and then people start requiring you to have multiple sets for different fights... oh this is going to the same place YOU went with ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Traek

Yep, completely agree. I also think it is sad someone can make literally *one* mistake and people will drop from these parties. Sometimes it takes a few tries to get the party on the same page, and obviously mistakes can happen. Chill out people. Some parties are definitely a pit of despair you don't want to fall in.. but a lot of things can be worked out with a tad of patience.

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This happened on Saturday. I was in a Ultima party and the WAR and a BRD got Butt hurt that we wiped at around 50% on the first try. The WAR said nope and left and the BRD said it was crappy and left. Long story Short found a new tank and BRD went in beat him on the 2nd try. I hate people who get butt hurt over silly little things, I could see if it happened for 30mins or more but damn 5mins in and you rage quit time to play a new game.

I've been in quite a few parties lately via Party Finder for Primal Ex's or Hard Instances that have requested that all recruits be ilvl80+ and "not suck" at the game. Despite the great gear most players in the party had, it ended up in epic failure many times.

So yes, OP is correct. Gear doesn't necessarily make you a great player - just helps reduce your damage and increase your DPS. It does not save you from your inability to recognize when to dodge specific actions from a boss, determine when to time your actions properly, or if you're stealing aggro.

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Originally Posted by Grailer

I base good players on how much commendation they have received . Most good players are tanks and healers. There are a few good players who are DPS but they are few and far between .

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Not sure if troll or serious...

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Originally Posted by ZDamned

Honestly, the bottom line actually is this:
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By "the bottom line", I ment the bottom line of my previous post. Which you thought was directed at you being full myth, was actually directed at am0n. Who was generally trolling and saying full i90 myth makes you superior. I didn't mean it was the bottom line / the main point. It would be nice if ilvl corresponded to what level player you are (with the exception of probably twin drops). But regardless, my point was it doesn't give you a right to be a elitist jerk for no reason. Your reasons seem somewhat validated in the sense that you're correcting what the party needs to do in order for the objective to be completed. I was thinking more along the lines of being a flat out jerk simply BECAUSE you're i90. Just because, for no reason at all.

It's a hard sell, though.

In this game, the only way to differentiate yourself is through gear. People strive for gear to prove they are good.

Saying that higher level gear does not mean you are good invalidates the reward system and offends those motivated by it.

Afterall, if it is someone's goal to be "the best"... and there is no way to prove it or lord it over others for self esteem- then what is the carrot that keeps them on the hamster wheel? It kind of falls apart.

People used to stand in Rev Toll with relic weapons out- to "show off"... now everyone has them and people say they are "freebies". No one stands around with them anymore. Gotta feel special somehow!