Shield Oath and Threat adjustments

Wooohoo. I discovered a bug!!! well until 2.15 if i'm not worried about the 20% dmg reduction i'll probably take the dps increase and keep same amount of threat!

I wonder if there's an occasional issue where the hate mod does not get applied when going into Shield Oath?

Well it actually makes sense though. I was thinking Shield Oath wasn't working. In my case my OT switched from Shield to Sword. Therefore he'd continue getting the threat bonus and the DPS bonus making it difficult for me to keep up in threat.

That extra 50dmg a swing makes a difference!

At the end of the day, threat management is important. I watch my threat I want to be near the MT incase he dies but not close enough that one good hit will cause me to overtake him.

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

I wonder if there's an occasional issue where the hate mod does not get applied when going into Shield Oath?

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Shield Oath does apply the enmity modifier. The issue is that Sword Oath is inheriting Shield Oath's enmity modifier when you go to Sword Oath directly from Shield Oath, rather than turning Shield Oath off and activating Sword Oath (or activating Sword Oath from nothing). Try attacking something without any Oath up and then attack something with Shield Oath up; you'll generate a helluva lot more enmity with it than without it and, with Sword Oath (applied from a null state), you'll only generate marginally more.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

Well it actually makes sense though. I was thinking Shield Oath wasn't working. In my case my OT switched from Shield to Sword. Therefore he'd continue getting the threat bonus and the DPS bonus making it difficult for me to keep up in threat.

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Eh, if you notice your OT doing this, just tell them to turn Sword Oath off and then back on again. The bug only applies when you go directly from Shield Oath to Sword Oath. If you turn off Shield Oath and then turn on Sword Oath, the enmity modifier isn't applied. I've run with quite a few random tanks in DF that think that everyone else sucks at aggro management because every time they OT, they go straight from Shield to Sword and either rip aggro from the MT or ride their ass the entire time. In their minds, the MT has terrible enmity generation because, when *they* tank, they've always got a huge cushion and it couldn't *possibly* be their own exploitation of a bugged mechanic that's causing the problem. More than a few I know of don't think that it's a bug at all and think that Sword Oath is *supposed* to help generate obscene enmity (which makes no sense since it's the offtank stance and only applies it in a single situation). A lot of the pugs don't believe me until I tell them to turn Sword Oath on and back on again to verify it; they generally get humbled a bit when they see that, no matter what they do, they can't make any kind of dent in the MT's enmity cushion unless they use it as it's bugged.

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Originally Posted by Lex_Luger

I have noticed the opposite. I have been MTing and OTing everything from Turns 1-5 to Garuda/Ultima/All new dungeons and have noticed a noticible boost to shield oath. Even if I spam halone I can't pull hate off an equally geared tank when I'm in sword oath, so it seems to me like its working like it actually should.

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Agreed, I'd been doing CT in i90 DPS gear on my PLD, and in the past it's been extremely easy for me to pull Agro off of other Tanks with my Sword Oath on, now it's extremely difficult unless I get the first combo off or they just generally suck.

I've noticed this bug with Sword Oath for some time now and assume that either SE added a special modifier to the skill or accidentally copied code from Shield Oath. I'm already an enmity monster in my FC static, but this has made off-tanking difficult where sword oath's extra damage would have been a boon (I.E Titan EX/Coil/etc.)

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Originally Posted by ladyJ

paladin/gladiator needs just one small adjustment increase the flash by a few yalms radius and increase the emnity gained from flash just a little and there would be a lot more paladin tanks and a lot more safer party members at lower levels lol

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No. I don't want to play God. If this game gets any easier I have to unsub.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We've confirmed a bug wherein the enmity bonus granted from Shield Oath will remain when changing to Sword Oath. We apologize for the inconvenience and will be fixing this in patch 2.15.

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It was starting to feel like I was a Wrath Paladin again. hahaha

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Originally Posted by Hoshikogi

I've noticed this bug with Sword Oath for some time now and assume that either SE added a special modifier to the skill or accidentally copied code from Shield Oath. I'm already an enmity monster in my FC static, but this has made off-tanking difficult where sword oath's extra damage would have been a boon (I.E Titan EX/Coil/etc.)

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all you have to do is turn off shield off manually before you turn on sword oath if you do this then the emnity bonus doesnt go over.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We've confirmed a bug wherein the enmity bonus granted from Shield Oath will remain when changing to Sword Oath. We apologize for the inconvenience and will be fixing this in patch 2.15.

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I feel so.much.better now that I've seen this. In the past week, in 2 different CT runs, I've had an OT pull hate from me while they were in Sword Oath, despite me being i90 and doing max aggro rotation while they're in DL with a relic. I couldn't understand why it was happening and it depressed me so much I considered upping my drinking to "girl you got a problem" levels.