Scholar is the better healer...

My goal in this post wasn't to aim at what healing compensations works best. Of course WM/SCH synergize better because each class fills the others voids. What my goal in this post was to point out that SCH brings alot more to the table when it comes to healing and also does not have to deal with many of the issues that plague the WM class.

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Originally Posted by Noxaddo

My goal in this post wasn't to aim at what healing compensations works best. Of course WM/SCH synergize better because each class fills the others voids. What my goal in this post was to point out that SCH brings alot more to the table when it comes to healing and also does not have to deal with many of the issues that plague the WM class.

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You realize they don't bring burst, yeah?

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

You realize they don't bring burst, yeah?

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you do understand they can crit adloquium for 1400 while placing a 2800 shield, while having there pet heal with embrace for the same amount? and to top it all off they can lustrate just to laugh in my face while im still casting cure II?

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Originally Posted by Noxaddo

you do understand they can crit adloquium for 1400 while placing a 2800 shield, while having there pet heal with embrace for the same amount? and to top it all off they can lustrate just to laugh in my face while im still casting cure II?

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You are relying on two crit chances that have a less than 20% chance of activating and accepting it as full potential. In reality, we cast Adloquium for 700hp on average, landing a 700hp shield, while healing with embrace with the same amount. To top it all off, we can toss Lustrate which if it isn't the tank, is less efficient than Physick.

Unless you want to talk AoE, raid healing scenarios. Then we are talking 300-400hp Succors, with 300-400hp shields regardless of crit. If more healing is needed, shields don't stack so we just have a measly 300hp area heal that costs roughly 400hp. Yay.

Sch is indeed op since burst aoe healing isnt required in coil and they have no mana or threat issues. Its mostly tank taking rediculous amounts which can be shielded by schs. Schs can ignore healing debuff to boot.

Now SE needs to make aoe intensive fights instead of single target. But the problem then would be whm pulling hate . Which is a pointless flaw that whm doesnt need. They need to make whm heals have as much threat as schs. They already have a disadvantage which is less mana recovery and no adloquium or free faerie heals. Dont see where the balance is in making whm 2nd-3rd on hate list all the time.

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Originally Posted by Delvish

You are relying on two crit chances that have a less than 20% chance of activating and accepting it as full potential. In reality, we cast Adloquium for 700hp on average, landing a 700hp shield, while healing with embrace with the same amount. To top it all off, we can toss Lustrate which if it isn't the tank, is less efficient than Physick.

Unless you want to talk AoE, raid healing scenarios. Then we are talking 300-400hp Succors, with 300-400hp shields regardless of crit. If more healing is needed, shields don't stack so we just have a measly 300hp area heal that costs roughly 400hp. Yay.

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All the aoe dmg in the game can be solo aoe healed by a sch. Why do you need more then u need? Maybe in next patch they make fights require cure3 hps but currently adloquium makes tank healing trivial and whm tools arent making anything trivial. whm cant even use medica2 or cure3 that much or they pull hate . Which will garuntee a wipe if it happens.

Sch got their hotfix which was deserved but now whm deserve a fix to the pointless hate they get. Sch will outheal a whm since whm has to freaking hold back lol.

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Originally Posted by Noxaddo

you do understand they can crit adloquium for 1400 while placing a 2800 shield, while having there pet heal with embrace for the same amount? and to top it all off they can lustrate just to laugh in my face while im still casting cure II?

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So you're totally gonna do that to AoE heal people up, right?

You can do a succor and soil before aoe dmg even happens .You can spot heal raid with fairy while healing tank or mid cast. Something whm cannot do.

Healing in game is completely trival anyway so complete balance isnt needed. Healers even spend most of their time dpsing in dungeons and primals. Cure3 which burst heals quite alot is taken of the bar and is completely uneeded because just medica is enough to aoe heal everything

No one will ever need to bench the 2nd whm except maybe for twintania where tank occasionally gets gibbed if he has no adloquium.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

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Obviously haven't done coil at all.....Turn 2 SCH is by far the superior healer, succor negates two vaccums, lustrate is amazing for healing up after a 5 stack hit. Basically I tell my WHM never, ever use medica unless things are going horribly wrong, or high voltage goes off. Doing double WHM in turn two is horrifying, sure it can be done, but a SCH makes it is so much simpler. And when shit really hit's the fan, fairy buff isn't just a self buff, it also buffs the WHM....SCH / WHM will always be superior to doubling up one or the other.

Now if only they would fix eye for an eye not working in turn 2.....

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

Obviously haven't done coil at all.....Turn 2 SCH is by far the superior healer, succor negates two vaccums, lustrate is amazing for healing up after a 5 stack hit. Basically I tell my WHM never, ever use medica unless things are going horribly wrong, or high voltage goes off. Doing double WHM in turn two is horrifying, sure it can be done, but a SCH makes it is so much simpler. And when shit really hit's the fan, fairy buff isn't just a self buff, it also buffs the WHM....SCH / WHM will always be superior to doubling up one or the other.

Now if only they would fix eye for an eye not working in turn 2.....

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completed twintania 2 time check my lodestone

whm double duoable everywhere without any difficulty. Except like i said twintania where tank may get one shot if theres no adloquium on him. So people will bench 2nd whm for twintania but not 2nd sch. People can beat twintania as double whm if they try enough because occasionally death sentence dice rolls manage damage every time, no one shots.

I agree sch is the better healer currently for a few reasons
1. SE design fight to have crazy tank dmg but manageable by 1 healer aoe damage. Sch superior tank healer thus better for how se designed fights
2. Adoloquium trivilaise tank dmg. Boss all attack the same way. Hit delay big hit.
3. Sch better mana return
4. Whm crazy threat makes them hold back on healing

However like i said , this game healing is a joke. Perfect balance isn't needed. All the barrier to progression come from dps checks.

Healers could probably do twintania in full strategos gear with a relic +1. My first time i only had 4 i lvl 90 and darklight cowl.