FINAL FANTASY XIV Suggestive Changes

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Originally Posted by JudgeN

Pretty good list, I don't agree with it all but its a nice start.

I would edit out alot of the "Secrets" of Levinshower, Dunesfolk, and Ravine because your going to get that shit nerfed and people will be pissed.

As a 49 (10k to 50 archer) multishot is actually very fair, you are guaranteed 3 hits if the mob is yellow when you attack. But after that multishot accuracy drops a shit ton, besides just like in FFXI archers have to pay for ammo so they should be doing a shit ton of damage anyway.

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Hehe, I don't necessarily want Levinshower, Dunes, and Ranine "fixed" either. However, I think it's an issue nonetheless. I rather see them address it, but balance ALL leves so that the player doesn't have to pick and choose leves that reward ridiculous amounts of experience points (high or low).

The excuse of paying for ammo is a bit weak in this game, at least for now. Not only can every player craft their own arrows, but there are no gil sinks in this game, so players are just massing insane amounts of gil. I don't consider myself to have a lot of gil and I've started to play Archer (with no craft), but after doing 3-5 Dunes + 1-2 Ranine every reset with my LS, I still have more money then spent after that reset.

Well it would be interesting to see if SE would at least acknowledge reading this.

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Originally Posted by ShadyLurker

I think there is a good chance major changes will come to the armory system, as battle and class changes are high on the devs list. in the end the armory system you love so much might work completely different. Nothing is a good bet in this game right now.

personally I dont like the armory system in its current form and dont like having my weapon determine what my class is. I prefer XI's system, though my favorite systemfor an MMO is totally skill based like UO or EVE no levels, but that dosent work for a Final Fantasy game i know. However, we dont have Chocobo's or airships in XIV so what do i know about what works in a Final Fantasy game :p

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Yoshida already clarified quite clearly that they're not going to remove anything the players have achieved, so you can be pretty much sure that the foundation of the armory system will stay as it is.

They will most probably add on top of it, but if you hope people won't be able to switch class with their weapon freely, or to mix and match abilities, I think you'll be hoping for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Hitoriki

Well it would be interesting to see if SE would at least acknowledge reading this.

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Probably not. As much as I applaud the effort, presenting an incredibly long wall of text (in a cumbersome format as PDF), basically saying "your whole game needs changing!" just with 1000x words isn't exactly functional or very constructive.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Hehe, I don't necessarily want Levinshower, Dunes, and Ranine "fixed" either. However, I think it's an issue nonetheless. I rather see them address it, but balance ALL leves so that the player doesn't have to pick and choose leves that reward ridiculous amounts of experience points (high or low).

The excuse of paying for ammo is a bit weak in this game, at least for now. Not only can every player craft their own arrows, but there are no gil sinks in this game, so players are just massing insane amounts of gil. I don't consider myself to have a lot of gil and I've started to play Archer (with no craft), but after doing 3-5 Dunes + 1-2 Ranine every reset with my LS, I still have more money then spent after that reset.

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O I whole hardly agree but from my SE experiences with FFXI they nerf first long before they think about balancing ***.

Archer is just a principle sort of thing, I'm playing for damage so I feel as thought I should be awesome. Probably misguided way of thinking but that just how I feel :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Probably not. As much as I applaud the effort, presenting an incredibly long wall of text (in a cumbersome format as PDF), basically saying "your whole game needs changing!" just with 1000x words isn't exactly functional or very constructive.

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Sounds like what the forums will be providing/doing lol.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yoshida already clarified quite clearly that they're not going to remove anything the players have achieved, so you can be pretty much sure that the foundation of the armory system will stay as it is.

They will most probably add on top of it, but if you hope people won't be able to switch class with their weapon freely, or to mix and match abilities, I think you'll be hoping for a long time.

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He has said he doesn't want to do a player wipe and they are going to avoid it. Still i'm pretty much still looking at this game as a beta.. its pretty much how they are treating it.

It all comes down to how many people are going to pay monthly when they decide to start charging. If they can keep their subscribers, and have an additional 10% keeping the system vs doubling with a new design and a player wipe... which way do you think they will go?

This is a game for us, but its a source of income for SE. They are going to appeal to the mass market or they will fail. It really wouldn't bother me if they did a player wipe with the ps3 release... whenever thats going to happen. But who knows? Nothing is certain and i'm sure the last thing they want to do is upset the players, but sometimes you gotta break a few eggs.

You may love the armory system and think its the best thing in the world. But this isn't about a person, its about making money. Its going to come down to return on investment on man hours, and how many people will join/leave with changes.

You'll stay if the armory system stays the way it is. I won't. But in the end that doesn't matter, what matters is the other people out there both playing and not playing as a whole.

Pretty good posts, some good views in it.

Admittedly, you have said everything I was typing up to say and much more, with even more depth than I would have been able to instill. This thread needs attention from the developers soon. You have pretty much covered all the bases in your changelog. I will make sure the word gets around so that this is not passed by.

All I have to say is, yes. To pretty much everything in that .pdf.

Excellent job. I think you summed it up nicely.

I have to agree with most of it. Hope they take a read.