#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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Originally Posted by AuraflareRising

Yes, healers do need some extra love thrown at them as far as their kit goes, but again it goes to one of my previous comments, "Be careful what you wish for", some of the things asked for in this strike, if granted, may make some content unplayable for the very casual players. At the end of the day, if the very casual people have a super hard time clearing content, or new players even, then it may result in the player base decreasing. Yes all players should learn how to use their kit, but everyone has a different learning speed, or in some cases hampered by disabilites. We are only as strong as the lowest among us, and some of these requests of the devs may make it extremely difficult for them to shine or want to play.

Mindfulness of the full situation, the full player base is important here. We were all sprouts once.

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Do we have to keep the skill ceiling close to the floor because of accessibility? The best design has always been a low barrier of entry with a high skill ceiling. I am fully on board for keeping the floor low but the people playing at ground level shouldn't shackle everyone else to the ground as well. Also what about DPS, shouldn't they start greatly reducing complexity in favor of accessibility? They (devs) just told us they won't. Why? Do new players not play DPS? Do people with disabilities only play Healer?

It's strange how one role is singled out because of this.

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Originally Posted by Niroken

Do we have to keep the skill ceiling close to the floor because of accessibility? The best design has always been a low barrier of entry with a high skill ceiling. I am fully on board for keeping the floor low but the people playing at ground level shouldn't shackle everyone else to the ground as well. Also what about DPS, shouldn't they start greatly reducing complexity in favor of accessibility? They (devs) just told us they won't. Why? Do new players not play DPS? Do people with disabilities only play Healer?

It's strange how one role is singled out because of this.

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Dungeons are the skill floor

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Originally Posted by AuraflareRising

That said, to expect the whole player base to agree with you is a bit of a reach, as with such a large player base there will be a variety of opinions.

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Are these people who expect the whole playerbase to agree in the room right now? Even from the initial thread post:

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I would like to make this the official thread for those in support of a healer strike as a collective voice to the dev team to express the dissatisfaction with the continued direction the game has gone concerning healer gameplay and what is an arrived consensus that has deemed to be a negligence towards the role, as well as the players who main it.

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Emphasis mine. I guess there is the word consensus in there, which some people may misinterpret as *every single person* agrees or argue it is overstating the viewpoint (despite how incredibly popular this thread has become not just on the forums but outside of it as well), but I don't see anyone posting in a way where they want to compel people to participate or agree in seriousness. I also don't put much value in semantic arguments either. While you sound like you're very reasonable, I'm just very confused on where you actually are getting these impressions from?

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Originally Posted by PintyMcEars

Dungeons are the skill floor

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Skill floor is being able to do the primary job you're signing up for: healing and keeping your subject(s) alive. To do more than just that means you're already going above your skill floor. Today's ceiling is being able to spam your 1 nuke button ad nauseam (75% - 95% of time), and maybe throw in your other non-healing button if you feel like to (which we either lacking or have no need to, or combination of both), while fulfilling your primary duty to heal (less than 10%, if you're with a WAR then maybe 1-3% lmao).

Misshapen chair once said that if all healers get reworked into something more engaging, then one healer should stay the same for the players who like that kind of gameplay.
For those who enjoy healers as they are now, would this be a good compromise? Every healer who enjoys the endless Glare spam just stays on White Mage while the other healers actually get interesting damage buttons to press?
We've already got Gunbreaker with a damaging rotation that's far more tightly executed than Warrior, and if anyone complains about GNB being too hard, they're rightly told to git gud, or play a different tank, because GNB mains enjoy it like it is. New Summoner is practically a Simon-Says that can run laps around the arena while Black Mage is sitting there in their circle actually having fun.
The main issue this solution might bring is the White Mage mains upset about needing to abandon their job for something more engaging. Personally, I think they should re-work the "class" system, where for normal content, stoneless classes like Conjurer are viable and get bare-bones skills up to around max level. Decent output at a basic level, but without the potential that a Job has, which would encourage them to actually branch out and try White Mage.

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

Misshapen chair once said that if all healers get reworked into something more engaging, then one healer should stay the same for the players who like that kind of gameplay.

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While I do agree in spirit with the idea, even a simple playstyle needs more than a single spammable spell and a DoT. Taking the warrior example, it still has Beast Gauge, Infuriate, Fell Cleave reducing Infuriate cooldown, 2 combos (4 buttons), Inner Release, and a couple of filler oGCDs. Even a "simple" healer should be able to handle a new gauge, or a proc or 2, or a maintainable buff, etc.

Oh hey OP you made it to reddit, they're calling you out with parses and say you just need to do savage and ultimate if you're not happy with healers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...iv_pinkertons/

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Oh hey OP you made it to reddit, they're calling you out with parses and say you just need to do savage and ultimate if you're not happy with healers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...iv_pinkertons/

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Raiders: haha this person didn't do savage/ultimate what the hell can they say about healing
Healers: provides logs from savage and ultimates
Raiders: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that

Them looking at just Gemina not having parses shows the community's true image. If you need parses to criticize boring healer gameplay, then the argument holds no merit. I find it very strange they only focus on Gemina, but ignore other raiders who share similar thoughts regarding healer issues.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Oh hey OP you made it to reddit, they're calling you out with parses and say you just need to do savage and ultimate if you're not happy with healers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...iv_pinkertons/

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And once again we have circled back to the "just play harder content" argument to which I'd reply that you shouldn't have to do the hardest content in the game to have as much fun as other classes in normal content relatively speaking. (Yes, normal mode is not as challenging but healers are not even at the level of fun/lack thereof that other classes are on.)

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Raiders: haha this person didn't do savage/ultimate what the hell can they say about healing
Healers: provides logs from savage and ultimates
Raiders: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that

Them looking at just Gemina not having parses shows the community's true image. If you need parses to criticize boring healer gameplay, then the argument holds no merit. I find it very strange they only focus on Gemina, but ignore other raiders who share similar thoughts regarding healer issues.

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The ironic thing is, the first comment still points out that even the uh "shit players" (their words not mine) notice how bad the role is.

Play savage/ultimate and say the role is boring: "But poor Johnny Casual can't play the dungeons if you give him extra DPS spells he can ignore if he struggles to heal!"

Play casual content and say the role is boring: "You should go play ultimate, dungeons don't matter, ignore that we still have to press Glare for 60-80% of the fight."

It's a never ending cycle that can't be won and shifts the goal posts.