Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

Just had 2 hours in the 6.2 ex trial as my first ex trial after byakko ex in stormblood. If you read this and were in my fc mates group with me. Thank you for your patience.
We didn't clear as i was one of the healers. My fc mate put up a blind learning party so people knew what to expect.
Tried my absolute best but this is another level...
Appreciated the group we had, big time though.

P6N from Normal Raid Roulette, as a SCH.

At some point in the fight co-WHM typed "Reiner, I don't know what you're doing but keep doing that."

Right after that, shit hits the fan (sort of). At least 2-3 players died to mechanic, literally one shotted possibly to stacking some sort of AoE. One of them is a SMN who I swift'raised (co-WHM also overwrite my raise), then this SMN proceeded to do something, effectively removing that raise invuln and dropped dead again. Co-WHM proceeded on typing "Sorry SMN for not topping you up."

Would've retorted to their first comment by saying "Heal more? Oh you mean that invisible Whispering Dawn that you neutered with your Plenary Medica II+Rapture+Assize?" to their response against first Dark IV the boss threw. Also sorry for noticing how you could've just used that Raptured Lilies for Solace when the tank needs it, those Cure IIs must be pricey. But all these would require me to sit still to type all that quippy remark and made me eat bad stuffs which would've probably fueled their validations and make the run harder for the party. Yeah, I'm not doing that. Here, a pity Fey Blessing/Union/Soil for ya'all.

I think the cringiest/funniest part was when they just had to type an entire sentence how the blame is theirs for not topping the SMN up when it was 100% clear that SMN died in less than 2s after reviving, aka hinting toward not making a good use of their raise invuln. Sure, WHM probably felt nervous from the shit hitting the fan suddenly from mistakes they could not control (As usual, #justpugthings) but at that point after they made their first comment, it's hard to not think that as a soft attack... which I laughed hard at. So hard I got distracted a bit I ate bad stuff a bit and get to dance giggity jiggity for a moment ;) Also what do you (the WHM) think I felt when my very first cooldown pretty much neutered by your enthusiasm? Y'know what? Go ahead and heal up, I'll be a Broil Mage :p

That being said the run didn't last too long, clear time was pretty average, what you would normally expect from an NR roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I'd choose the reset and let others back into the fight

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I had a situation like this when I was tanking that big rotating book boss in the Great Gubal Library. Everybody else had died to various things, and because the boss doesn't really hit that hard outside of AoEs that I was already familiar with, it seemed like I could probably just solo the rest of the fight on my own. But when I realized that it was going to take A WHILE for that to happen, I told the group "I'm just gonna wipe, I feel like this is boring for the rest of you."

There comes a point where it's a matter of: 1) If I do screw up and die at some point, then I've REALLY wasted a bunch of time for nothing, and 2) If I succeed, it's really not all that impressive anyhow. What am I trying to prove?

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

P6N from Normal Raid Roulette, as a SCH.

At some point in the fight co-WHM typed "Reiner, I don't know what you're doing but keep doing that."

Right after that, shit hits the fan (sort of). At least 2-3 players died to mechanic, literally one shotted possibly to stacking some sort of AoE. One of them is a SMN who I swift'raised (co-WHM also overwrite my raise), then this SMN proceeded to do something, effectively removing that raise invuln and dropped dead again. Co-WHM proceeded on typing "Sorry SMN for not topping you up."

Would've retorted to their first comment by saying "Heal more? Oh you mean that invisible Whispering Dawn that you neutered with your Plenary Medica II+Rapture+Assize?" to their response against first Dark IV the boss threw. Also sorry for noticing how you could've just used that Raptured Lilies for Solace when the tank needs it, those Cure IIs must be pricey. But all these would require me to sit still to type all that quippy remark and made me eat bad stuffs which would've probably fueled their validations and make the run harder for the party. Yeah, I'm not doing that. Here, a pity Fey Blessing/Union/Soil for ya'all.

I think the cringiest/funniest part was when they just had to type an entire sentence how the blame is theirs for not topping the SMN up when it was 100% clear that SMN died in less than 2s after reviving, aka hinting toward not making a good use of their raise invuln. Sure, WHM probably felt nervous from the shit hitting the fan suddenly from mistakes they could not control (As usual, #justpugthings) but at that point after they made their first comment, it's hard to not think that as a soft attack... which I laughed hard at. So hard I got distracted a bit I ate bad stuff a bit and get to dance giggity jiggity for a moment ;) Also what do you (the WHM) think I felt when my very first cooldown pretty much neutered by your enthusiasm? Y'know what? Go ahead and heal up, I'll be a Broil Mage :p

That being said the run didn't last too long, clear time was pretty average, what you would normally expect from an NR roulettes.

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With them even apologizing to the SMN later on in the run, I kinda feel like they may have been sincere in their comment to you.

I couldn't for the life of me tell you specifically what skills an AST or SCH are using during fights, but I can tell when my co-heal is helping out vs just being a lazy bum. I would have taken the comment as actual appreciation.

My will to continue questing on the alt is slowly dissolving. Had an awful Paglth'an where I was ressing both DPS repeatedly through the whole dungeon. Even during pulls they'd somehow manage to die(and the tank was keeping aggro), so I'm ressing random DPS . Both died around 4 times during lunar, but we cleared. And they were both kind and grateful, which actually made it feel a bit better.

Tower of Zot on the other hand... The two DPS were a couple(I know, I stalked everyone's examines prior to the dungeon, shame on me). No one threw out a greeting at the start. I know this is weird but even though I'm anti-social myself I always through out a "o7" at the start of duties and it feels good when other people greet. We'll never talk through the rest of it but it's comforting. I don't know, it reassures me that they're human I guess. The good news is that they don't die during the pulls. The bad news is that they are dying during the first two bosses at every opportunity. The second Tower of Zot Boss is really, really easy as well(much slower paced). It's really, really not that hard to follow me and the tank to the safe spots. The husband finally asked me if I could res any slower and I straight up x'd out of the client. I am healing you people after every mistake, I'm ressing you both each asap even when I have to hard cast. It's not a stressful fight to do this in but it's still bothersome when it feels like you're constantly doing it.

Someone will probably tear into me for making a big deal out of one but not feeling as strongly about the other, but I think a bit of kindness in those situations helps.

It was a week or some days ago but i feel bad for the new sprout healer in Dead Ends, our team was basically WAR (me), WHM (sprout) and 2 DNC.
The sprout immediately died to the debuff that he didn't esuna and we kept going without him at ease with no other deaths.

Same with 2nd boss, died to the first aoe combo and rest kept going.
Only the 3rd boss he didn't die and it was nice.

I didn't want to reset though since the composition is probably one of the best for sustain lol

Helping a friend level yesterday, we had a BLM twice in Dzemael who was wearing crafting gear. As in the only combat gear they had on was a lvl 26 weapon, a pair of lvl 5 boots, and a +strength ring. Everything else was crafting gear. And they were a mentor...

I called them on it, but of course they didn't respond. I felt so trolled! If we'd got them for a 3rd dungeon, I was going to abandon the duty and eat the penalty.

Playing through the MSQ again on an alt, got to Mt. Gulg today and I encounter something I've never seen to this extent. It was my fellow dps, a mentor with every combat job at level 90, not using AoE, like at all even on double packs. He played RDM but didn't use his melee combo once the entire run. I'm pretty sure I even saw him hardcast those spells with like 4 seconds cast time at some point.

How does this happen? Did I encounter a bot, or was he just literally playing with one hand, or could someone seriously play that much and still be that bad?

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Originally Posted by BeerMusketeer

Playing through the MSQ again on an alt, got to Mt. Gulg today and I encounter something I've never seen to this extent. It was my fellow dps, a mentor with every combat job at level 90, not using AoE, like at all even on double packs. He played RDM but didn't use his melee combo once the entire run. I'm pretty sure I even saw him hardcast those spells with like 4 seconds cast time at some point.

How does this happen? Did I encounter a bot, or was he just literally playing with one hand, or could someone seriously play that much and still be that bad?

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I encountered a RDM in Don Mehg who did a similar thing (albeit kinda reverse I guess?), also a mentor. They only ever used elemental spells, never unaspected. No jolts, no impacts ever. On every fight, whether single target or AoE, they would hardcast veraero II/Verthunder II, and use their dual casts on veraero/verthunder. At least they did the melee combo though, and it didn't ruin the run or anything. But it did lead to the tank dying a few times because the trash fights took so long that I literally went out of oGCDs to heal them with, and since nearly all the trash was still alive when that happened, my GCD heals couldn't really outpace the damage the poor tank was getting.

Found a really nice EX4 PF group today for once and promptly failed multiple times and caused 2 wipes off the bat before dropping in shame. Apologies to that group, EX4 is just beyond me.

You know, I probably should've told the Paladin in my party to read his tooltips in that Shisui dungeon. At least then, they would realize Divine Veil doesn't give them a shield when they tried to use Clemency, so the shield would be worthless anyway. Though, after seeing them use Clemency when they reach half HP and haven't used a single mitigation before then... I kind of want to see them panic a bit more before they realize they aren't playing WAR. After all, I'm not getting any value on Excogitation if their HP doesn't drop at least to half HP and my Fairy's Whispering Dawn + Embrace gets wasted from being topped off.

Bonus points to the RDM who decides to dualcast vercure multiple times on the tank and think I didn't notice it. As for how I noticed a dualcasted vercure, if the Divine Veil shield activates and it wasn't the PLD or the healer who activated it with a GCD heal, hehe.

I think they might have started regretting activating the shield when they started actually taking damage after the shield expired and came close to dying when failing the Abyssal Volcano mechanic. Of course, they weren't in any danger of dying since I'd keep them alive regardless of what kind of AoEs they eat in that dungeon. The Veil shield doesn't make enough of a difference anyway since it will require a lustrate / indomitability / Whispering Dawn to make sure both DPS live through it with their gear. However, if they want to cast some GCD healing while I'm alive, I don't mind skirting the line on maintaining their HP a bit lower each time ... After all, I practiced enough to fully understand where their "1 HP" is at, so watching their HP dip lower and lower is also a bit of an amusement when they don't have enough faith in my healing capability.

Just completed Eden's Promise: Eternity for the first time tonight and OH MY GAWD I nearly had a heart attack! Things were actually going pretty smoothly until the second half of the battle where Eden's Promise starts stocking two primal abilities at once, and it all went to hell. I was struggling to remember what each AoE even did, and didn't even get a chance to see what she was storing up half the time because I was so focused on healing and reviving people NON STOP. Not a single party member didn't die at SOME point, including a moment when BOTH TANKS and the other healer went down all at once. The DPS roster was pretty much a revolving door of revives and re-revives and re-re-revives. There was never a single instant that wasn't a red alert, emergency crisis. It felt like 10 solid minutes of drowning in constant panic. Legit probably lost a year off my lifespan from the stress. To the other healer who used LB3 to bring all of us back at one point: thankyou! I would not have had the mental RAM to even think of that. You da real MVP!

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

I probably should've told the Paladin in my party to read his tooltips in that Shisui dungeon. At least then, they would realize Divine Veil doesn't give them a shield when they tried to use Clemency

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I almost fell into that trap when I first got the ability, too. To be fair, "all party members" sounds like it should include me. After all, I AM a member of the party, right? Thankfully I tested it out to see if I got the barrier, if only because D&D has taught me to scornfully mistrust "common sense" in game rules. Otherwise I would have been that Paladerp thinking I have an extra damage mitigation.

Funniest thing that happened to me was I went into Chrysalis on DRK. I main tanked Nabriales, everything was fine, we get to the triple tankbuster. I roll Dark Mind and still had Shadow Wall rolling from Double, and the healers already topped me back up. I'm ready, chief, bring it on.

Then Paladin cotank provokes. While not rolling a single cooldown. Nabriales turns around, deletes this poor Paladin from existence, then returns to me. I actually guffawed out loud, it was hilarious.

Paladin bro, if you ever read this, know you made a cynical old man smile and that means more for me than any roulette has for a while. Thank you, and I hope you're doing well <3

I was healing Abyssos sixth circle, fight goes completely fine until five seconds to the end, tanks get their markers and instead of clicking Haima, I press rescue and killed myself. Big sad.

Once had a co healer in alexander normal raid (the robot with the big arms in the middle) who rather did damage than heal or rezz ppl, letting me do all the work. After reminding him of his actual job i got something like: " im playing the proper way instead of being a little bitch" and left with his little entourage (2 bad ddler). We quickly filled up and did the boss without any probs after that. Had to laugh at that entitlement :D

My DF encounters are wholesome.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Funniest thing that happened to me was I went into Chrysalis on DRK. I main tanked Nabriales, everything was fine, we get to the triple tankbuster. I roll Dark Mind and still had Shadow Wall rolling from Double, and the healers already topped me back up. I'm ready, chief, bring it on.

Then Paladin cotank provokes. While not rolling a single cooldown. Nabriales turns around, deletes this poor Paladin from existence, then returns to me. I actually guffawed out loud, it was hilarious.

Paladin bro, if you ever read this, know you made a cynical old man smile and that means more for me than any roulette has for a while. Thank you, and I hope you're doing well <3

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Mom said it was my turn to eat magic knuckle sandwiches!

Refurbisher in raid roulette. First go is the normal routine, adds not getting positioned properly and causes a wipe. Some people drop, we refill.

Second try, we get through the first phase, then Faust comes in.....and the off-tank doesn't bother to move him out of the lava, despite having almost half of his HP left, and he blows up and kills us. Then the tank tries to blame it on the DPS being too low. Then the tank drops.

Then it takes long enough to refill that I zoned out and the ready check startled me.

Went smooth the third time, though.

I had another of what is probably one of my most common pf experiences

random party member: *stubs their toe or something and fails a mechanic once*
other party member :OH MY GOD THIS GROUP WILL NEVER CLEAR I'M LEAVING!!*quits*

look I'll be honest if you truly hate wasting your time why are joining pf parties?. wasting time is kind of the normal state of affairs there

I progged as Healer 1 too much in P7S that I made some dumb mistakes going to the wrong place when I played H2/barrier healer. Still got the clear but I should avoid moonlighting both healers tho

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Originally Posted by NotACapitalist

I progged as Healer 1 too much in P7S that I made some dumb mistakes going to the wrong place when I played H2/barrier healer. Still got the clear but I should avoid moonlighting both healers tho

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I can feel that, I hate going H2 for that reason. Muscle memory is too strong sometimes.

So apparently Hurricane Ian is strong enough on the cat scale that it shut down our Waffle Houses until it blows over.

One of my co-workers: Dear God.

Me: First time?

Edit: realized I posted in the wrong thread, but at least a minor story comes with the edit.

So just got out of Nab's trial while helping a friend. One of the rando dps that loads in decides to ragequit and pull their ethernet cable, and never comes back into the fight. He moved around a bit before he went poof.

We end up 7-manning it and only a few deaths, and friendo can finish getting out of the ARR slog.

To that random drg that pulled the plug before the trial: I hope you step on a Lego.

Cursed tank in BarbEX: dancing all over the place with the busters. Of course, I was one of a few victims. :mad:

Expert roulette last night on my smol murdercat alt, who I needed to get caught up on everything. Got Troia.

* first boss fight *
RDM: he could not stay a head of us.
Me: :|
* second boss fight *
RDM: eye thought that was a hard fight
Me: You're going to emotionally Scar(miglione) me.
RDM: haha
Me: That was far from the worst pun I could've come up with; I wasn't even Troian that hard. ;P

I was tempted to make that Scarmiglione line a bit longer, and add "I (Rubi)cante take much more of this."

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Went into expert roulette as a Sage and got Troia, with a paladin, summoner and dragoon.

Everything went ok but at the first pack after the first "Boss" i got some aggro from using dots and aoe early, i decided to keep walking. I didn't use Sprint or Icarus, all i did was hold W.

Reached the second group of enemies, healed myself a bit to stay alive, rest of the party arrived shortly after, and what does the tank do? Single target attacks. I ended up dying because i hoped the tank would pull aggro from me so i didn't heal myself more.
I admit i got a bit angry so i respawned instead of letting myself get revived from the Summoner, they also ended up dying, so it was only the paladin and dragoon in the end. Paladin keeps themselves alive with Clemency, the summoner and i came back and we defeated the rest of the enemies.

Whatever, stuff like this can happen, right? Well, it happened again for the next 2 packs. I got initial aggro but kept walking, eventually i decided to stand still a bit, so the tank can grab the aggro from me, but they didn't. Instead, they kept walking, ignoring the enemies attacking me. I died again, paladin doesn't bother to use Clemency this time, so we wiped. At this point, i started to believe that they are doing this on purpose, so i confront them about it.

Here is the chat:
https://i.imgur.com/qSMTUUI.png

After the "More healing, less talking pls" i stood still and wrote a report, then waited for the loot timer to run out so i can initiate a kick, which succeeded. But apparently this happened by mistake, because after the paladin got kicked, the other 2 dps left immediately.

Just to clarify, the tank didn't use Sprint, Shield Lob or Intervene. And again, i didn't use any mobility skills at all, so i really don't understand what the issue here was. And yes, i was healing, when i was alive.

Oh, and the person that didn't talk, the dragoon, had the same last name as the paladin and came from the same world.

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Sounds too me like the tank took issue with you getting ahead and drawing aggro. Its best when it comes to proceeding in a dungeon to just let the tank handle pulling and wait until they got a solid hold on things. As for healing them during the pull just watch their HP if it drops fast or starts to get uncomfortably low heal them. Their are tanks that if you pull for them or purposely pull off them they will just leave you to die.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Sounds too me like the tank took issue with you getting ahead and drawing aggro. Its best when it comes to proceeding in a dungeon to just let the tank handle pulling and wait until they got a solid hold on things. As for healing them during the pull just watch their HP if it drops fast or starts to get uncomfortably low heal them. Their are tanks that if you pull for them or purposely pull off them they will just leave you to die.

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Which is against the rules. If someone else is aggro'd then it's the tanks job to take it off them. A you pull it, you tank it mentality is reportable as it's against the ToS. It falls under the category of "Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior."

I'm not saying to start pulling for every tank you see, but if you're tanking and someone manages to get ahead of you, then you should take aggro. This is a level 90 dungeon, tanks should be more than capable of handling it(and on another note as a healer that has dealt with this a few times, you can usually deal with tanks refusing to grab aggro unless all of the trash ends up on one dps or yourself). Another note as well but you as a tank shouldn't be falling behind people at level 74+ due to having gap closers(and 74+ is generous since only Pally gets its gap closer that late).

Besides that... All concepts of right or wrong aside, if you want to finish the dungeon, it's more beneficial for you as a tank to just drop your ego and pick up the extra mobs.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Sounds too me like the tank took issue with you getting ahead and drawing aggro. Its best when it comes to proceeding in a dungeon to just let the tank handle pulling and wait until they got a solid hold on things. As for healing them during the pull just watch their HP if it drops fast or starts to get uncomfortably low heal them. Their are tanks that if you pull for them or purposely pull off them they will just leave you to die.

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Doesn't sound like they ran ahead based on what I read above. Sounds like they were running with the tank, and the tank had a severe case of tunnel vision. Should have picked anything up the second they lost aggro to the DoTs at the very start. Based on the post and the screenshot, I'm siding with the healer here. The tank's attitude only made that easier for me.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Expert roulette last night on my smol murdercat alt, who I needed to get caught up on everything. Got Troia.

* first boss fight *
RDM: he could not stay a head of us.
Me: :|
* second boss fight *
RDM: eye thought that was a hard fight
Me: You're going to emotionally Scar(miglione) me.
RDM: haha
Me: That was far from the worst pun I could've come up with; I wasn't even Troian that hard. ;P

I was tempted to make that Scarmiglione line a bit longer, and add "I (Rubi)cante take much more of this."

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Sometimes you just can't a-void it.

I don't think I've ever given off the impression that I'm a master tank or anything, but if there is anything you want me to do differently - pull more, pull less, whatever -- you can just say so, it's not a big deal. I have zero ego about it. We're supposed to be on the same team, here. But when you're the healer and you run off by yourself at top speed into another room, miles ahead of the rest of the party, that's not helping. You have not asserted dominance or proven yourself as a Pro Gamer. And when you cause multiple wipes time after time, not saying a word to anyone, the rest of the party does not think you are cool. We think you are a loser. And when you ragequit right before the last boss of the dungeon, only for a new healer to come in seconds later and steal your easy XP and tomestones, it only cements what a loser you are. Thankyou for coming to my Ted Talk.

Tanks need a couple swipes at each pack to get proper aggro, especially if DPS are already starting to hit the first. Sprint timing is also a thing. If you're jumping ahead and not stopping or falling back, it's not the tank's problem. If you're a healer running ahead of me, I'm already thinking of my report for when you decide to abuse rescue.

Yesterday, as a summoner, had Orbonne in my roulette and wanted to shoutout to the healers (a mentor white mage and a funny named scholar Emet Selch)for helping the sprouts and making fun jokes along the ride, it was quite enjoyable.

Duties/battle instances are places where i tend to talk more compared to hubs where I do not like speaking at all so having some friendly chat helps me relax from work

Here we go again with the "you pull, you tank" issue.

A healer who happens to grab aggro, or even a DPS player to manages to grab aggro is not trying to purposefully kill the party. As a tank you should automatically take the aggro back. Aggro management in this game is ridiculously easy since you can just grab aggro back with ONE AoE. Just one. There's no difficulty with grabbing adds, not since TP was removed. And as tank, your role's duty, especially with the way FFXIV is designed now is to just be a damage sponge and keep pulling as much as possible and as fast as possible.

It's understandable if players are unable or uncomfortable with doing this, however if that is the case they should get their FC members or even their friends together until they feel they are comfortable enough with the usual speed of level 70+ dungeons, and if they need further practice, Trusts are a good way to do so.

If you are a tank that purposefully let's your healer die just because they happen to get ahead, please consider using "SPRINT" if you really don't like when anyone gets ahead of you. Or better yet, don't be a jerk and risk getting your account banned because you throw a fit over another party member getting aggro. The only exception to this if the party member is running around like a chicken with their head cut off and not bringing the mobs to you.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Tanks need a couple swipes at each pack to get proper aggro, especially if DPS are already starting to hit the first. Sprint timing is also a thing. If you're jumping ahead and not stopping or falling back, it's not the tank's problem. If you're a healer running ahead of me, I'm already thinking of my report for when you decide to abuse rescue.

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Oh no, someone pulled me closer to the mobs I was running to anyways, the horror!

I will never understand people getting pissy about other players actively making things easier for them.

DPS/healer hp bars are extra mit for the tank
Some DPS even have arms length so there's another free mit
Rescue is a free gap closer/sprint saver
The tank is literally only required for big pulls, your only job is to hold aggro and get hit by mobs. If you don't want someone running ahead of you and pulling, run ahead of them and pull before them.

But no, let's report someone because they interfered with your main character syndrome /s

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Oh no, someone pulled me closer to the mobs I was running to anyways, the horror!

I will never understand people getting pissy about other players actively making things easier for them.

DPS/healer hp bars are extra mit for the tank
Some DPS even have arms length so there's another free mit
Rescue is a free gap closer/sprint saver
The tank is literally only required for big pulls, your only job is to hold aggro and get hit by mobs. If you don't want someone running ahead of you and pulling, run ahead of them and pull before them.

But no, let's report someone because they interfered with your main character syndrome /s

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No. Someone pulled me AWAY from the mobs I was getting aggro on before I was finished. It only takes a couple seconds to run through my AOE combo and secure aggro. Stop making excuses for people being rude assholes.

The whole YPYT mentality was not born out of malice on the part of tanks, but disrespect on the part of other roles. Let the tank do their job. People get to run ahead because I'm taking the time to do my job right. Should they? Not if they want to test their durability against the mobs. It's common courtesy.

Rescue is meant to save people from danger. It's in the name of the ability. I don't need another gap closer, when I have one past a certain level. You're talking about shaving off a second or two like it matters at all. Maybe you shouldn't queue up for dungeons when you have to go use the bathroom. That's about the only excuse I can think of for such impatient behavior, certainly one that makes people laugh when I talk about it later on. :p

Bro it takes like two gcds to get aggro, if you're doing a full rotation or whatever then you're going too slow. If the healer rescues you, just go to the next mob while spamming your high threat ranged attack on the mobs behind you, and if the rest of the team is smart they'll bring the mobs that might be on them into your large AoR radius. It's literally not a big deal. The tank's job is, again, to get hit, their job is not to pull. Anyone can pull. Doesn't matter what you think, any attempt of you pull you tank is against the rules and you wanting to report someone for rescuing you just males you look like the stereotypical fragile tank you see on Tales of Duty Finder's subreddit.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Bro it takes like two gcds to get aggro, if you're doing a full rotation or whatever then you're going too slow. .

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Sis, I'm talking about using two GCDs! That is a full rotation!

My biggest gripe lately with DF, is tanks that stop at the FRONT of the second pack of enemies rather than pulling through them so that everything is in a tighter cluster for those sweet, succulent, AoEs to hit. Had it happen on the last 3/4 Expert roulettes I ran, and when things are super spread because of it, not all AoEs will hit everything(especially the targeted ones).

Why do people like to stop in front of the second pack, grabbing them still, but keeping them split?

Queue'd manually into Tower at Paradigm's Breach, as a WHM.

• Knave of Heart - Nothing special.
• Hangry - Two other tanks are clueless. A RPR from C had to tank Hanny until tankbuster eats them then for a good couple of minutes I tanked it for whatever reason. In the alliance chat I dropped "Ah yes WHM tank".
  
  Eventually one of the tank Provoke'd... our WAR's Gravy. So she swapped target to voke Hanny instead.
  
  WAR:"How am I doing, healers?"
  Me:"Wdym? You're a healer too."
  SAM(?):"LOL"
  WAR:"...You're right."
  
  Poor RPR though.
  
• Red Girl - A moderate amount of rezzes, otherwise nothing much.
  
  WAR:"Look at mee, I'm a healer~~"
  
• Last Boss - From what it seemed to be a smooth boss run (outside my tank getting yeet'ed off by building and said "Oh so that's what happen lol"), suddenly it turns horribly wrong at the very end. One of the melee from our group wanted to test if the Front-Rear/Flank AoE will knock them away. It didn't, which they reaffirm in chat "At least that didn't yeet me off."
  Pretty soon when the train comes running, that tester did got yeet'ed.
  
  SMN:"Is that planned?"
  Me:"Umm.." -swiftraise-
  -Rhythm Ring happens, 3 other DPS and my co-healer also drops dead instantly-
  Me:"GUYS?? LMAO."
  
  Thankfully that happened at 2% HP left. We finished off the duty shortly. I thanked them for giving my ribs some exercise lul.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

My biggest gripe lately with DF, is tanks that stop at the FRONT of the second pack of enemies rather than pulling through them so that everything is in a tighter cluster for those sweet, succulent, AoEs to hit. Had it happen on the last 3/4 Expert roulettes I ran, and when things are super spread because of it, not all AoEs will hit everything(especially the targeted ones).

Why do people like to stop in front of the second pack, grabbing them still, but keeping them split?

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"Because my AoE is a circle so I don't need to preposition myself to hit them all :p"

If you can't, as a tank, grab the aggro after like even one gcd you should turn on your stance lol

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Originally Posted by Avatre

My biggest gripe lately with DF, is tanks that stop at the FRONT of the second pack of enemies rather than pulling through them so that everything is in a tighter cluster for those sweet, succulent, AoEs to hit. Had it happen on the last 3/4 Expert roulettes I ran, and when things are super spread because of it, not all AoEs will hit everything(especially the targeted ones).

Why do people like to stop in front of the second pack, grabbing them still, but keeping them split?

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If you are referring to what I think you are then this bugs me too. Also, there is an open area right next to us, but you're stopping in an enclosed space and these mobs have hard hitting AOE's or directionals that everyone is being smacked about by. Then they are surprised when the group wipes.

Another thing that bugs me are tanks who dont commit to their pull, they stop and start constantly, moving off again with a half damaged back of mobs. They do realise that a lot of DPS jobs have windows to use their bread and butter skills? Ive seen wipes happen because the tank couldnt commit to their pull and the DPS were down. Obviously thats only really a risk with packs who need to be taken down quickly, but still.