(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Teeko

Absolutely loving my summoner, but the "delay" after telling my pet to use contagion is driving me absolutely nuts. I've had it even take 5+ seconds before it went off, while other times it is almost instant.

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It depends on what Garuda is doing at the time. If she is casting Wind Blades or other stuff, you will have to wait on cooldown, and sometimes it is kind of flaky in how it handles manual spells when they are doing their own thing.

The best thing to do is put her on Steady, then once she is out of her GCD, tell her to Contagion, and it will happen pretty much instantly.

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Originally Posted by T0rin

It depends on what Garuda is doing at the time. If she is casting Wind Blades or other stuff, you will have to wait on cooldown, and sometimes it is kind of flaky in how it handles manual spells when they are doing their own thing.

The best thing to do is put her on Steady, then once she is out of her GCD, tell her to Contagion, and it will happen pretty much instantly.

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Ain't nobody got time for that.

Just keep her on Obey, cast your DOTs, and use Contagion. Does it really matter if it takes 5 seconds?

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Originally Posted by Zer0mr

Ain't nobody got time for that.

Just keep her on Obey, cast your DOTs, and use Contagion. Does it really matter if it takes 5 seconds?

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I don't know. Does it really matter if you play your job as best as you can? I mean, we're talking about pressing 1 more button. If I'm planning to Bane those Contagion'd DoTs, to me, waiting 5 seconds on Contagion is a big waste of potential damage, since that is 5 seconds less on 3 DoTs that could be ticking on up to 3 other mobs. Instead, I'm sitting here waiting on Garuda to finish a chain of Wind Blades.

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Originally Posted by T0rin

I don't know. Does it really matter if you play your job as best as you can? I mean, we're talking about pressing 1 more button. If I'm planning to Bane those Contagion'd DoTs, to me, waiting 5 seconds on Contagion is a big waste of potential damage, since that is 5 seconds less on 3 DoTs that could be ticking on up to 3 other mobs. Instead, I'm sitting here waiting on Garuda to finish a chain of Wind Blades.

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Normally in an AoE situation, I don't need to do my full RS + Contagion + Bane rotation. Unless im doing T5. Which isn't like any other fight in this game. Typically the mobs don't live long enough for me to have to redot and bane again, let alone waste a contagion on them.

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Originally Posted by Zer0mr

Normally in an AoE situation, I don't need to do my full RS + Contagion + Bane rotation. Unless im doing T5. Which isn't like any other fight in this game. Typically the mobs don't live long enough for me to have to redot and bane again, let alone waste a contagion on them.

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No, normally you don't. The only time you Bane contagion'd DoTs is when you have RS up? The only time DPS matters is when you have RS up? You never use Contagion unless you are in T5? You never have any fights where you can get a full 45 seconds worth of DoTs in outside of T5?

Reeks of BS to me. I mean, you're basically advocating sub-par play simply because you're not in T5.

Before this conversation gets out of hand, lets remember what this thread was made for.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Please keep discussion civil, and be respectful to your fellow posters.
This thread is for feedback. There are no trolls, white knights, black knights, derps, etc. here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's okay to disagree, but please no attacking or provocative language.

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Originally Posted by T0rin

No, normally you don't. The only time you Bane contagion'd DoTs is when you have RS up? The only time DPS matters is when you have RS up? You never use Contagion unless you are in T5? You never have any fights where you can get a full 45 seconds worth of DoTs in outside of T5?

Reeks of BS to me. I mean, you're basically advocating sub-par play simply because you're not in T5.

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Woah woah woah!! Don't take what I said out of context. I was simply saying that the MAJORITY of the time things die before your normal DOTs fall off, let alone needing to Contagion and then bane them. Don't get me wrong. There's plenty of reasons to Contagion on ANY fight that lasts for more than 45 seconds. I only said that NORMALLY the mobs die first.

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Originally Posted by Zer0mr

Ain't nobody got time for that.

Just keep her on Obey, cast your DOTs, and use Contagion. Does it really matter if it takes 5 seconds?

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It does matter. In respect to what T0rin said, however, sometimes I believe it's better to bane before contagion. Putting your pet on steady means less potential windblade damage, and you can't really stop it mid-windblade to ready it for contagion (it will finish the last cast first), so either way you'd be stuck with some kind of delay most of the time.

To account for this I use the following rotation at the start of turn 5:


~ = Tap immediately after or simultaneously (pet commands being simultaneous)

Rouse ~ Obey > Spur > Enkindle > Swiftcast ~ Shadowflare > Bio II > Miasma > Bio *hesitate* ~ Bane > Fester ~ Thunder *switch to add #2 while thunder is casting* ~ contagion ~ *switch back to target #1* Ruin ~ Ruin II ~ *Switch to target #2 which has been contagion'd* ~ Bane ~ Obey > Aetherflow ~ Fester ~ thunder > Shadowflare > etc

IMO it's better and more reliable in some situations to Bane first, contagion a secondary target with more HP while casting something on the focus target, and re-bane again afterwards. This is assuming it's at the start of a fight where you'd have extra aetherflow charges to begin with.

Too many times I'd struggle or sacrifice DPS to hope garuda contagion'd target #1 before it went down and bane after, which caused the adds to always die slower.

Will we be getting more Pet when new Primal come out to trade in or add to, I'm not sure if you can answer this but a understanding on the topic would be nice. Leviathan coming out in 2.2, would be cool if we got as a pet, or companion, Maybe?

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Originally Posted by RegentP

Will we be getting more Pet when new Primal come out to trade in or add to, I'm not sure if you can answer this but a understanding on the topic would be nice. Leviathan coming out in 2.2, would be cool if we got as a pet, or companion, Maybe?

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I would have to do some digging to find the quote, but to my knowledge there are plans to introduce new Egi alongside new primals. Although I doubt they will be readily available at the same time, I fear the introduction of new Egi will make clear what I personally find to be the key flaw in Summoner.

That flaw, in my opinion, is that we are not a class that focuses on pet actions, but rather on DoT damage. Again, this is just my opinion, but Titan-Egi and Ifrit-Egi are completely and utterly overshadowed by Garuda-Egi and the utility of Contagion because it is the only skill that compliments the focus of Summoner damage, which is our DoTs.

If they can't find a balance between the Egi and give incentive to use something other than Contagion, then it defeats the purpose of introducing new Egi, because they'll be ignored in favor of Garuda-Egi. It would be better to simply call us Garuda Tamers since that's the only Egi that is actually worthwhile by the time we hit level 50. :(