Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Especially when both have stated numerous times they'd be leaving the game after it failed to meet their expectations (ok Ive only seen Aveyond say this)

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Not sure why you chose to say 'both', when you yourself admit that you've never seen me say that. (mainly because I haven't)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

So am I not allowed to also have an opinion over their opinion?

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As Melorie has pointed out, you don't get to decide what is 'good feedback' for SE. You are welcome to hold the opinion that my feedback isn't good, if that is what you wish, but my feedback is feedback for SE, not you. When I make a thread, I don't care about how Atelier-Bagur in particular is going to receive it. Therefore, I am also welcome to hold the opinion that your opinion on me is utterly worthless. And that's not even me trying to be insulting either, your opinion just does not matter to me. If you get hired by SE to read feedback, then perhaps it will.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

For better or worse people complaining still show they care about the product, and regardless of your own feelings it's still needed for the feedback cycle.

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^ This. The people who expect great things from the game are typically the ones who want it to excel, rather than stagnate.

If I woke up tomorrow and the game came out with patch 6.3-whatever that fixed every single problem in the game, I'd be thrilled! I don't think that will happen in the near future, but I'd still be quite happy if it did. I want the game to be the best it can be, and that's why I don't just accept things at a mediocre level.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Personally I don't agree with the poster tone

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Fair enough. I'm sure I could have a better tone if I'm being honest. I suppose I've adopted a harsher tone after dealing with the same bad faith posters enough times. I'm sure those same posters will still be up in arms simply to be contrarians regardless, but perhaps I'll look into using a different tone.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

Euphrosyne has spectacle, but it kinda feels... soulless? I'm not sure how to describe it. Compared to Ivalice and Nier so far it just seems plain to me. I don't think I'm going to look back on my time spent in Aglaia/Euphrosyne a few years from now fondly like I do with Ridorana, Orbonne, Puppet's Bunker and Paradigm's Breach. It's not forgettable or bad by any means, but I didn't find it exceptional either. I hope the last raid salvages it, though.

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This is where I'm at with Euphrosyne. It's not something I'd straight up leave if I got it in a roulette (copied factory lol), but it just feels... there. It just feels like there wasn't that much effort put into anything other than the scenery. The scenery looks great (even better than Aglaia) but everything else is pretty meh outside of the second boss. I have the feeling that in a few years I'm just going to forget this raid exists until I get it in a roulette, and then I'll say "oh yeah, this was a thing wasn't it?".

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

I am aware we have Orthos dropping in around 2-3 weeks from now, but I'm not holding my breath for it to be honest. I need more info before I cast any judgments on it.

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I'm expecting it to be a copy pasted PotD clone with a few swapped out items, and nothing so far has really challenged that prediction. I'm hoping to be wrong though, even if I know that hope is probably in vain.

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Originally Posted by Slayer25c

If u have nothing to do go play a other game.

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What is it with FFXIV players shutting down criticism by telling people to go and play something else? Do you realise how unhealthy it is for the game when large numbers of people leave. A lot never come back. I've seen my friends logging in less and less recently and that pattern of people going and doing something else feeds itself. Less social interaction, less grouping with friends, less reason to log in, maybe find another game for a while, meaning fewer people online... etc etc

If people are complaining, that means they're still invested in the game and want to improve it.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

What is it with FFXIV players shutting down criticism by telling people to go and play something else? Do you realise how unhealthy it is for the game when large numbers of people leave. A lot never come back. I've seen my friends logging in less and less recently and that pattern of people going and doing something else feeds itself. Less social interaction, less grouping with friends, less reason to log in, maybe find another game for a while, meaning fewer people online... etc etc

If people are complaining, that means they're still invested in the game and want to improve it.

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Anecdotally, my own FC is a lot like this, where people will sub/login at the start of the patch, and slowly taper off as they run through the content.
Difference is I suppose that the same thing has been happening for the past 9 major patches (I joined mid 5.2), and if anything our FC has only grown.

I see a lot of doomposting that if people aren't consistently being "forced" to logon, then they'll lose interest and the game will die, and while I'm sure it's true for some that they'll move onto something else, personally I feel like the ability to take extended breaks only helps player retention, and prevents burn out. It's definitely the case for me.

At the very least, the same pattern of content has been going on for the past two expansions, the game has only grown. Admittedly there are a lot more factors that go into that than just content release schedule, but at the very least it's not having a severe impact.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

What is it with FFXIV players shutting down criticism by telling people to go and play something else? Do you realise how unhealthy it is for the game when large numbers of people leave. A lot never come back. I've seen my friends logging in less and less recently and that pattern of people going and doing something else feeds itself. Less social interaction, less grouping with friends, less reason to log in, maybe find another game for a while, meaning fewer people online... etc etc

If people are complaining, that means they're still invested in the game and want to improve it.

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Literally where is the shut down? It's not present in that post and you're just reaching. Nowhere does what you quoted say don't criticize...
LITERALLY if you have nothing to do in 14 the smart choice is to play something else. That has absolutely nothing to do with criticism unless you inject it in as part of what's being said. The game has always had ups n downs where people log in less then come back. That's not new. All I know is worlds on my DC are considered congested. Must means plenty of folks are still around n kicking

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Originally Posted by Solarra

What is it with FFXIV players shutting down criticism by telling people to go and play something else? Do you realise how unhealthy it is for the game when large numbers of people leave. A lot never come back. I've seen my friends logging in less and less recently and that pattern of people going and doing something else feeds itself. Less social interaction, less grouping with friends, less reason to log in, maybe find another game for a while, meaning fewer people online... etc etc

If people are complaining, that means they're still invested in the game and want to improve it.

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Theres still stuff to do in FFXIV. The real issue is that those whom complain about the lack of content isnt willing nor care to do most of whats already given and only want what they want.

Which is fair, but to still complain about it when theres other grinds to do (because I refuse to believe anyone has 100% the game but prove me wrong) is dumb.

It feels like people really act as if FFXIV should be their only MMO or game ever.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Theres still stuff to do in FFXIV. The real issue is that those whom complain about the lack of content isnt willing nor care to do most of whats already given and only want what they want.

Which is fair, but to still complain about it when theres other grinds to do (because I refuse to believe anyone has 100% the game but prove me wrong) is dumb.

It feels like people really act as if FFXIV should be their only MMO or game ever.

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Rp and ERP schit isn't content.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I keep seeing folks say Sanctuary was a waste yet I see people doing that content everyday, and I'd bet more participate in that than Ultimate. So in reality was it truly a waste of resources? Especially when it can be updated Indefinitely down the road to be better?

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Personally I enjoyed Criterion, I would just rather have a exploratory zone because I feel it's a content that lasts somewhat longer, dungeons are a hit-or-miss and gets old fast, open-world is more social. But what is "do the content" when it comes to IS? Click a dozen times?
Of course people "participate" in it more than ultimate. There's almost zero-interaction in there and it's full of glamours.

Also I don't see how the "they can always improve it" adds much. We're not talking about a content that missed the mark a bit, we're talking about something that's completely barebones.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

As for feedback yes there for sure are clear signs of bad feedback. Things like "the devs suck and need to resign. They're clueless n don't know what they're doing" is a perfect example we've seen here many times. Throwing around insults to them n such also falls under that umbrella. That's why the term CONSTRUCTIVE criticism exists. People "analyzing" criticism are often trying to help yall out but we get written off as "whiteknights n gatekeepers" when that's not the case at all.

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Ah, c'mon. I love how people start with the whole "your feedback should be x, y, z" and then go "why are you complaining?". No one is asking you for that help and you're not able to give that regardless. If anything I have seen few people actually trashing the devs in this thread and just venting regarding the content here, so yeah y'all do sound like whiteknights.
Again, feel free to express why you're satisfied with current content if you want, but drop this act of how you can guide people towards good feedback, please.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Rp and ERP schit isn't content.

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Yeah but have you tried /beesknees in a dimly lit player house tho?

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Originally Posted by hobostew

Yeah but have you tried /beesknees in a dimly lit player house tho?

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I tell you, everyday someone at SE wakes up and think "I should've put Bee Knees in mogstation. It would've saved this company from any possible financial disaster in the future".