Paladin Updates

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Originally Posted by Rydin

It is indeed in FFXI... and it was lazy in that
but it is not in all RPGs... not even all JRPG's...
Dlvl does not appear anywhere in the FFXII damage formulae
Theory debunked

Dlvl is indeed garbage and XI did not use it correctly

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Rydin yes it does let me prove you wrong right now. this is a FF 12 damage formula right here.

Bows, Daggers and Ninja Swords: These depend upon speed and strength. These can give you an edge in battle in earlier levels because the speed stat grows very slowly in comparison to everything else.

DMG = [ATK x RANDOM(1~1.125)]- DEF] x [1 + STR x (Lv+SPD)/218]. what that means is since you don't gain lot s of stats in FF 12 you get damage Bonus from your lvl's, and guess what the higher lvl you are over a lower lvl monster the harder you rape them.

That formula doesn't decrease (edit: or increase) your damage based on enemy levels, it just makes you do more in a natural progression of ability that is gained with levels. It wrecks enemies that are low level because they have lower stats when compared to mobs of your own level or higher. There is no part of that particular formula that increases damage based on your level vs the mob level (that's what dlvl is). This weapon formula does more to mobs that are lower because their stats won't keep up enough to mitigate the damage.

Tl-Dr: Try again.

^Pretty much this. Dlvl= Difference in level. The FFXII formula simply boosts it based on your level, not the difference in level between you and your enemy.

While I agree that the effects could be toned down, they could just as easily not use dlvl. There are dozens of other ways I'm sure they could do it and produce satisfactory results.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Rydin yes it does let me prove you wrong right now. this is a FF 12 damage formula right here.

Bows, Daggers and Ninja Swords: These depend upon speed and strength. These can give you an edge in battle in earlier levels because the speed stat grows very slowly in comparison to everything else.

DMG = [ATK x RANDOM(1~1.125)]- DEF] x [1 + STR x (Lv+SPD)/218]. what that means is since you don't gain lot s of stats in FF 12 you get damage Bonus from your lvl's, and guess what the higher lvl you are over a lower lvl monster the harder you rape them.

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Thats actually level... not level difference... the MOBs level does not factor into the formula... at all...

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

That formula doesn't decrease (edit: or increase) your damage based on enemy levels, it just makes you do more in a natural progression of ability that is gained with levels. It wrecks enemies that are low level because they have lower stats when compared to mobs of your own level or higher. There is no part of that particular formula that increases damage based on your level vs the mob level (that's what dlvl is). This weapon formula does more to mobs that are lower because their stats won't keep up enough to mitigate the damage.

Tl-Dr: Try again.

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this ^^

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Originally Posted by Alerith

By Sentinel's effect, while it's active, enmity is increased for all your abilities. So enmity is increased across this entire ability string if you use sentinel first.

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I read somewhere that this is broken? Apparently it doesn't work on actions at the moment, and only for damage. I'll try dig up the reference.

My Suggestion for a change is easy. Add a job-trait, Auto-Regen, (and maybe Auto-Regen II), that will allow the Paladin to recover HP without needing to expend MP. An increase of DEF would be great as well.

I view Paladins as "Arcane Defenders" so they should be bad-ass damage takers (tanks), whereas Wars should be more Damage Dealers; but, as I see it right now, Paladins are gimped, and I can say that having my only 50 at this time being one. Nobody wants them for parties. :-\

So, would you rather have cobalt chest stacked with hp Materia and a mage willing to use sacred prism + sangiean rite? Or use that AF with crap stats and cover on your own?

I'll keep my competent Mage thank you.

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Originally Posted by waldo

So, would you rather have cobalt chest stacked with hp Materia and a mage willing to use sacred prism + sangiean rite? Or use that AF with crap stats and cover on your own?

I'll keep my competent Mage thank you.

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I'd rather use the AF body for MP restore. Still shouldn't stop the SP+SR. If you can constantly replenish your MP, you can keep your own HP at a reasonable level and save the mages MP for "Oh shit" moments.

Wait, wait, wait. What if we're looking at this wrong?
Instead of "WAR multi-tank, PLD single tank", let's look at this another way it could be done.


What if a PLD was so self-sufficient, you didn't NEED a WHM to look after it? What if the damage it took, and it's abilities and cures, were enough to keep ITSELF alive in any situation?

I'm being serious, as this could be balanced properly.

WAR excels and dealing damage while tanking, right? So it's ideal when you don't mind bringing a spare mage, or your only WHM doesn't mind looking after the tank and the party.

Now why can't a PLD excel at taking minimal damage and keeping itself alive so you can either A) Replace a mage with a frontline class or B) That single WHM can focus exclusively on the party unless you have a major "Oh shit" moment. The drawback would of course be that PLD deals absolutely crap for damage.

If it was implemented like this, instead of an answer to the WAR, then I could see two very distinct differences in tanking.

WAR - Damage tank that requires mage attention.
PLD - Mitigation tank that doesn't need mage support, but deals minimal damage.

How to do this? Well, I'm no game designer so I can't say exactly if these suggestions would break the job, but it's better to think of ideas than to sit idly by.

Aegis Boon - Make this a 20 second buff. Instead of automatically blocking the next physical hit, it activates during a shield block. Damage taken from the attack is cut in half instead of nullified and you and party members in range restore HP equal to half the blocked damage. Stack with Divine Veil for maximum effect.

Bring back "Obsess"- This ability increased your defense against one target while reducing it against another.

Make Defense worth something - Pretty self explanatory. Sure, WAR can wear the same stuff PLD can for the most part, but PLD should have a naturally higher defense.

Change one more part of Divine Veil - Instead of Regen, make it so that when a PLD is cured, it heals nearby allies as well. Make PLD a pulsing beacon of healing.

Give PLD Defender. - I still don't understand why we don't get this. Do you WARs even use it? >.>

Allow us to parry with our sword, even if we have a shield equipped. - Give us some defensive swordplay! An ability like "Riposte", a reaction ability usable only after parrying an attack, that deals light damage and combo's with Spirit's Within.

I'm really tired. I'm sorry if some of these sound gamebreaking or unreasonable, but if we just overboost PLD's survivability and leave it's damage at the low end, then PLD makes huge leaps in practicality and WAR doesn't need to be nerfed.

Defender has been gone for awhile now...