Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

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Originally Posted by Xerek

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Pot, kettle, kettle, pot. Let's keep it classy~

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

by means far less demanding or involved than the other two.

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That's the part where you're wrong. The RNG of the weapon means that, on average, if will far more time consuming than Creator or Anima. That's one thing I'm trying to explain pages ago.

You don't like that there's a better weapon than your Anima, whatever the weapon is ? Fine, that's your choice, and I respect that.
But the explanation that it's because it requires less dedication is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's the part where you're wrong. The RNG of the weapon means that, on average, if will far more time consuming than Creator or Anima. That's one thing I'm trying to explain pages ago.

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What is the benefit to it then? All it does is provide a carrot on a stick to get people into diadem. The weapon has angered the community, and has gone against the entire predictable reward structure that we have had thus far, so if the weapon is both time consuming (this is the wrong terminology bte because it is an RNG lottery, which is different) and designed to "catch people up" at the end of an expansion, how does this work? What is the benefit of the reward system being designed the way it is?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

What is the benefit to it then? All it does is provide a carrot on a stick to get people into diadem.

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The first benefit is for raiders and anima holders that are bored of having nothing to do. The second benefit is for non-raiders. I think a lot of people have the potential to clear Creator Savage, but are frightened by it. A stroke of luck in Diadem might push an insecure player to go into raiding with his newfound uber-weapon.

Like I said, I've no issue with people being pissed at the new weapon. There are just some explanations that feel wrong. And RNG lottery is time consuming, on average, because you'll probably spend a lot of real playtime in Diadem before you obtain your first usable weapon.

The reason why I like it is that you shouldn't have all the best rewards neither into a single content, because it makes all other content short-lived, nor asking for only one type of dedication, because it rewards only one kind of players.

I don't care if you have ten animas or whatever... your reasons for grinding those were different. Please stop thinking we have no right to talk.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The reason why I like it is that you shouldn't have all the best rewards neither into a single content, because it makes all other content short-lived, nor asking for only one type of dedication, because it rewards only one kind of players.

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Wouldn't it be better if it was 275 then and had a higher drop rate? That seems like it would help people that need a better weapon than having to deal with an afkfest and then a fight that is so poorly designed that 1 person can potentially screw everyone else over because they felt like it or by accident.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Wouldn't it be better if it was 275 then and had a higher drop rate?

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It would be different. Being better or worse is subjective and all depends on the devs goals. If the devs wanted a hook, even if a longshot, for anyone that was already fully Alex Savage geared, then only way to bring them over would had been something better than what they have that is not acquirable in any other way.

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That seems like it would help people that need that extra push than having to deal with an afkfest

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The AFK fest has more to do with the current setup and how all the pink 260 gear is awarded. People go in, stick around through the main mission, get their reward (they don't even have to do anything to get it so long as enough people do their thing) and leave with maybe a new i260 piece of armor. A fix to the AFK would be if, like fates, every member of the raid was ranked, and only rewarded if they actually participated on the mission.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

...but if we're playing that card, why bother raiding now? There's gonna be a new raid in a few more months. And then another tier after that. Oh, and dungeon gear will be better than that raid gear anyways, so why bother doing anything? I mean, why not just wait for catch up patch handouts?

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Your message told me, you principal goal is to have the best gears.
But it's not the case of everyone.

Challenge and discovery is what come first for me.
Gears is far behind.
In fact, if all content could be sync, I will be even happier.
For the release of Alexander Creator Savage, when my static had crafted items on them, I prefered to stay with Midas and other 240 gears.
They were around ilvl 250-255 when we cleared it. I was at 242.

Otherwise, it has been already one week we have the Diadem, and to be honest, I have more (intentionally) grind this weapon ilvl 280 than the relic (all steps).

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Of course it's bait to run the new Diadem, I'm not denying that.

What I'm saying is, if SE sees enough people perfectly fine with this, they could easily do it again with other failed content they want runned by people. Or go even further and use this as bait to keep RNG based content like Aquapolis and Gold Saucer thriving.

It's overall not something we should ignore and turn our backs to.

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And i' say it again you have a very limited scope of design you need to look at more than just the numbers on the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

That's the part where you're wrong. The RNG of the weapon means that, on average, if will far more time consuming than Creator or Anima. That's one thing I'm trying to explain pages ago.

You don't like that there's a better weapon than your Anima, whatever the weapon is ? Fine, that's your choice, and I respect that.
But the explanation that it's because it requires less dedication is wrong.

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It's not. And before I say anything else, let me clarify, I never said I don't like that there's a better weapon than my Anima. I don't even like relics, despite having one, so no, don't put words in my mouth.

That aside, I made the point previously that there were people that got one on the first day; that negates the time argument. You can be dead most of the fight and still be that lucky winner; that negates the effort argument. And let's face it, the Diadem hardly takes the same amounts of skill that perhaps raiding would. So there goes skill.

Oh, as far as dedication goes, I'd like you to please try to debate that with a raiding group that perhaps worked really hard to clear A12S and get their weapons the day before this was added, or people who spent this entire expansion working on a relic only to have it so easily overstepped by a low-chance, high end reward. See how well that's received.

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Originally Posted by Ceasaria

Your message told me, you principal goal is to have the best gears.
But it's not the case of everyone.

Challenge and discovery is what come first for me.
Gears is far behind.
In fact, if all content could be sync, I will be even happier.
For the release of Alexander Creator Savage, when my static had crafted items on them, I prefered to stay with Midas and other 240 gears.
They were around ilvl 250-255 when we cleared it. I was at 242.

Otherwise, it has been already one week we have the Diadem, and to be honest, I have more (intentionally) grind this weapon ilvl 280 than the relic (all steps).

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If that's what you interpreted from what I said, you've really misunderstood it then. And please don't give me the "I do it for the challenge" bit. I actively PvP, knowing I get nothing from it remotely useful in any aspect of the game, even PvP itself, and I do it for love of doing it. And as far as challenge goes. . . I think it goes without saying facing other players over scripted programs is more of a challenge.