Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

That said, I have not been having trouble with AST so far simply because I accept it for what it is: A high mobility, very support focused healer. It's not supposed to be "WHM, but with cards!" or even a card-dealing SCH.

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Exactly! I get the feeling some people were expecting astro to have all the big green numbers of a whm plus cards in diurnal and all the shielding and dps power of a sch plus cards in nocturnal. Well nope. It's a tradeoff. Whether it's worth or not will be tested once proper raids are available AND as people get more confident with the class. But you can't have, as an italian saying goes, a full wine barrel and a drunk wife :3

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Originally Posted by Kaerline

But you can't have, as an italian saying goes, a full wine barrel and a drunk wife :3

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That's an awesome phrase. I'm going to use it in place of 'have your cake and eat it too' from now on. ^^

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Originally Posted by Kaerline

Instead, people who haven't rerolled, hit 60 and expect to faceroll new dungeons while still being in toilet paper armor, just because that's what everyone used to do until a week ago, when highly overgearing the content.

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Ty for pointing this out, most significant thing said in this thread. Last dungeon I did the drk was pulling as if it were WP hard mode, over 10 lvl 57 mobs at once while he was in i133 gear and I'm in i135. I barely kept him alive and started to question my job
But you are right people are treating it like speed run lvl 50 dungeons.

Obviously gear plays a factor but lets be honest here for a second you could do those massive pulls in ARR in pre coil gear on WHM and SCH. Did it require everyone to know what they are doing? Of course. But what is being discussed isn't the difficulty of content in comparison to iLvL. People discuss the flaws of AST compared to the other 2 healing jobs.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

I've been using diurnal for everything really, including the vault, and seems like it does better in boss battles. However, last vault I did had a drk that was doing huge pulls, keeping him alive was very stressful, I'm thinking if I was in nocturnal with the 5% potency increase and alternating cures and shields I probably would of done better.

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that doesn't matter because dirunal has 5% haste, so they have the same throughput. I took one look at noctrune numbers and realized it was garbage with a capital G. a 500 potency heal that costs twice as much as benefic? nope, no thanks. dirunal aspected has a potency of 850.

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Originally Posted by jars

that doesn't matter because dirunal has 5% haste, so they have the same throughput. I took one look at noctrune numbers and realized it was garbage with a capital G. a 500 potency heal that costs twice as much as benefic? nope, no thanks. dirunal aspected has a potency of 850.

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Diurnal Aspected Benefic is only 790 potency, over 18 seconds...where are you getting 850 from? Nocturnal Aspected Benefic is an "effective" (ie, heal + shield) potency of 525, but doesn't require nearly as long to see that effect (in fact, it works instantly >_>).

To prefer one is fine, but at least have some clue of how the other works.

Now that my AST's in a good shape I've started leveling up my Monk. Have you guys been on the receiving end of AST cards?

Well in Sohm Al I was bestowed with Arrow (+10% attack speed) and it was a somewhat noticeable increase in speed. When it ended I was like 'can I get some more?'. Receiving one is so addictive, it doesn't quite turn you into superman but when it wears off you feel the difference. Suddenly that AST in that dungeon run looked like Santa Claus to me, handing out sweet presents and we snatched it with our grubby hands. But then that same AST threw me a Spire (TP reduction) during a single-mob pull and placed a Bole on the Summoner.

Looks like Santa Claus needs more training.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Diurnal Aspected Benefic is only 790 potency, over 18 seconds...where are you getting 850 from? Nocturnal Aspected Benefic is an "effective" (ie, heal + shield) potency of 525, but doesn't require nearly as long to see that effect (in fact, it works instantly >_>).

To prefer one is fine, but at least have some clue of how the other works.

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haste affects hots/dots now. have a clue how the other works etc

nocturne is horribly inefficient and not even a good emergency heal since benefic 2 does that better while still being more mp efficient

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Originally Posted by jars

haste affects hots/dots now. have a clue how the other works etc

nocturne is horribly inefficient and not even a good emergency heal since benefic 2 does that better while still being more mp efficient

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Skill/Spell speed affect how hots/dots work NOT Haste. It's the reason why Fey Glow/Fey Light were changed from Skill/Speed speed to Haste. WHM PoM does still increase Hot/Dot healing and damage however since it increases Spell Speed.

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Originally Posted by jars

haste affects hots/dots now. have a clue how the other works etc

nocturne is horribly inefficient and not even a good emergency heal since benefic 2 does that better while still being more mp efficient

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Haste only affects your cast times...you're thinking of skill/spellspeed, which is not the stat that Diurnal modifies. Hence, your earlier comment about the throughput being as equivalent as Nocturnal's throughput was also inaccurate. Please research carefully before spreading misinformation.