with this mindset the future looks dim

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Originally Posted by ulti_19

Honestly the looking up on youtube and knowing the game before you experience it is the biggest pile of **** I've ever encountered in a game.

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So, then, your first time into a raid you don't ask for any advice or strategy before you pull?

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

And all that's great...in single player games.

It's common courtesy, MMO or elsewhere, to do simple things that prevent you from wasting other peoples' time in group activities.

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It's not common courtesy to make someone watch content before fighting it. A gamer, is just that, a gamer trying to beat a game or portion of it. Everyone has a first time in a dungeon, before it comes up as a youtube guide. It should be common courtesy to let a player wipe until he/she discovers a good way to beat said content. This new way of watching everything beforehand is just fking pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

So, then, your first time into a raid you don't ask for any advice or strategy before you pull?

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No I pull and find out how it happens, if we wipe oh well there's 5 extra seconds needed to teleport back to where we died, I know next time not to do something I did to mess up. Before you tube vids are created that's what happens. Every player should learn like that, not be spoon fed the answers.

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Originally Posted by ulti_19

No I pull and find out how it happens, if we wipe oh well, I know next time not to do something I did to mess up. Before you tube vids are created that's what happens. Every player should learn like that not be spoon fed the answers.

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Just making sure you're being internally consistent.

I actually have no problem with people doing as you describe here. I have issues with people zoning in and asking to be given a strategy that they could have looked up before they queue. The problem is that both groups make very similar-sounding arguments.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Just making sure you're being internally consistent.

I actually have no problem with people doing as you describe here. I have issues with people zoning in and asking to be given a strategy that they could have looked up before they queue. The problem is that both groups make very similar-sounding arguments.

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No problem, I am just very adamant on my position on this topic as it makes my head spin at what the norm is today.

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Originally Posted by ulti_19

Honestly the looking up on youtube and knowing the game before you experience it is the biggest pile of shit I've ever encountered in a game. The players who want people and who view all the content and rage at those who have not are not good players imo, and are the one's who should gtfo for bieberizing the videogame industry making it just a quest for the next loot and the fastest way of getting it without any solid experience.

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HAHAHA I loved the "bieberizing" part, but yeah people wants a person to learn a fight/dungeon by youtube, truth to be known, I may not have have the same play style as the youtuber, if the youtuber doesn't play like I do then the video is useless lol, also I learn better by doing not learn by watching.

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Originally Posted by Swagcity

Best comment in the thread. "Hey I am an elite player, let me watch how someone else does the fight."

Gamers don't game anymore, they just watch videos; even while using technology; technology has made us lazy "Shrugs."

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Guess that means most of humanity is lazy then. I mean they learned from what happened in the past, instead of figuring it all out on their own. It's the same thing.

Back in the day we had strategy guides; never used those. It appears that you are forced to use them now in the form of youtube.

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Originally Posted by Swagcity

Back in the day we had strategy guides; never used those. It appears that you are forced to use them now in the form of youtube.

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I never said you had to use them. But refusing to learn from those who came before....?

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Originally Posted by ispano

Guess that means most of humanity is lazy then. I mean they learned from what happened in the past, instead of figuring it all out on their own. It's the same thing.

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If it is convenient for you to dismiss a challenge, then fine; technology is convenient, hence makes individuals lazy, aka google search; no need to type the entire word or spell it correctly, but you will have to to articulate yourself at some point........

Like i said; never used guides for games; loved the thrill of discovery. Comparing the real world to a game is somewhat bizarre, not willing to risk my life, but i will risk my avatar's for the sake of a challenge^^ "Hey bro, lets find our way through these woods; we may get attacked by deadly creatures, but hey, it is a challenge; lets be trailblazers!" As opposed to, "Hey, lets start up XIV and discover this dugeon."