Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by dotsforlife

Return to Ivalice says hi.

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Deltascape is appropriate too, especially ExDeath. He is so FF XIV-ish.
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Personally, i would like them to abuse all other FF, like VII/VIII or IX.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

From recent interview with Dualshockers:

G: You probably knew that this question was coming sooner or later: with Return to Ivalice creating a bridge between Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XII, and with Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age selling over a million copies, has the chance of seeing Viera implemented as a playable race improved?

Yoshida: We shall see… conversations on new races and jobs in FFXIV is super-top secret! I would be risking my life if I were to talk about it. Let us say that only the Mother Crystal knows. :p
Tongue smile was in source material @ DS

Well, people speculated about Red Mage and Samurai 3-5 months before announcement.
I guess the next race is Viera, which will be introduced in Ivalice Part 3: Final by the end of Stormblood, as i suggested earlier.

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This is too much. Imabout to faint .-.

I don't see a resounding NO, ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

we have faith Yoship!

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Originally Posted by Mature

This is too much. Imabout to faint .-.

I don't see a resounding NO, ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

we have faith Yoship!

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So coy with that reply! I don't want to get my hopes up, but I can't help it at this point D:

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I don't think we should have a race from another game, what gets added should be appropriate to 14 and not something shoehorned in from another game.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

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I still say it's completely blasphemous they did away with Galka/Roeg tails.

Hmm, I mean I've always wanted Viera, but I wonder if they will add the Males, or if they just stick to Female like they only add Female Glamours lmfao

I kinda think they won't add Viera but a random race

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Originally Posted by Mature

This is too much. Imabout to faint .-.

I don't see a resounding NO, ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

we have faith Yoship!

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Yoshida is pretty open guy and really bad at keeping secrets. xD

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

From recent interview with Dualshockers:

G: You probably knew that this question was coming sooner or later: with Return to Ivalice creating a bridge between Final Fantasy XIV and Final Fantasy XII, and with Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age selling over a million copies, has the chance of seeing Viera implemented as a playable race improved?

Yoshida: We shall see… conversations on new races and jobs in FFXIV is super-top secret! I would be risking my life if I were to talk about it. Let us say that only the Mother Crystal knows. :p
Tongue smile was in source material @ DS

Well, people speculated about Red Mage and Samurai 3-5 months before announcement.
I guess the next race is Viera, which will be introduced in Ivalice Part 3: Final by the end of Stormblood, as i suggested earlier.

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Wait, what. I've been hoping that Return to Ivalice would lead us to Vieras, but a huge part of me guessed it was just wishful thinking. This lack of a direct "NO" from Yoshida, considering he did say "no" in the past, is giving me too much sudden hype O_O

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Originally Posted by Valaska

Make Lalafell not infant 6 year olds and make them actually look interesting

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Excuse you, I look interesting af, get yo edge ass out of here

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Originally Posted by Areic

Excuse you, I look interesting af, get yo edge ass out of here

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U sure?

http://i.imgur.com/fv3imSp.jpg

If we get ANOTHER RACE WITH A TAIL, can they please address the glamours that the tails make look stupid like the reindeer outfit?

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Originally Posted by Enla

They actually came from Tactics Advance which was released in 2003. Final Fantasy 12 was released in 2006. However both games share the same world as far as I remember.

Tactics Advance:
https://static.zerochan.net/Viera.full.10963.jpg

FF14's proposed 'child' variant:
http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...5-22_23_33.jpg


Personally speaking I prefer the FF12 rendition, but I wouldn't be upset if they added both and made them like Midlanders and Highlanders.

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i'd be quite ok with the tactic version of the viera, i mainly want something a bit more beastial rather then just human with animal parts glued on.

the lupin would be a brilliant addition but the more beastial looking veria or 'hummingway' (what the childlike race was called when they showed it) i would be ok with

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Wait, what. I've been hoping that Return to Ivalice would lead us to Vieras, but a huge part of me guessed it was just wishful thinking. This lack of a direct "NO" from Yoshida, considering he did say "no" in the past, is giving me too much sudden hype O_O

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I know I shouldn't be too excited over his response, but I really can't help it lol
If there's an obvious lack of viera in the next part of the Ivalice raid, the dev team may be planning something special by not showing them yet.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

Why not have both versions as separate clans?

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I like that idea! Although I can only imagine my fantasia woes would be doubled.

Also, I just stumbled upon the following - had no idea they had already created the softer subset (I've not played the XII games)

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...a108687052.jpg

I'm sure they could find a way to work both into XIV :X

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I like that idea! Although I can only imagine my fantasia woes would be doubled.

Also, I just stumbled upon the following - had no idea they had already created the softer subset (I've not played the XII games)

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...a108687052.jpg

I'm sure they could find a way to work both into XIV :X

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The Feol only feature in Reverent Wings as far as I know so they are quite obscure

If you want an Elezen with bunny ears or a Miqo’te with bunny ears get all hyped. If you want something like the pictures you guys keep posting you are going to be so disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

If you want an Elezen with bunny ears or a Miqo’te with bunny ears get all hyped. If you want something like the pictures you guys keep posting you are going to be so disappointed.

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I am used to disappointment at this point, but I can dream! :(

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Originally Posted by Istaru

If you want an Elezen with bunny ears or a Miqo’te with bunny ears get all hyped. If you want something like the pictures you guys keep posting you are going to be so disappointed.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Some of the Viera concept art (the cooler looking stuff) is essentially Au'ra with rabbit ears.
I hope they add a race that is more than just "pin the tail on the Hyur".

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Originally Posted by Kohdo

I hope they add a race that is more than just "pin the tail on the Hyur".

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Careful what you wish for, they may just do that and play pin the tail on the Lalafell instead.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I don't think we should have a race from another game, what gets added should be appropriate to 14 and not something shoehorned in from another game.

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Oh, I don't want Viera to be playable at all (I'd much prefer Lupin, which already exist). I'm just saying that replacing their rabbit feet with 'human feet' is just taking away the only unique thing about them (and will also most likely make them slightly shorter).

Also, to the people saying 'just make them not wear shoes,' would you really be okay with that? Some leg gear just do not look good without proper shoes on. Imagine a Viera wearing this, but without the foot gear (too lazy to get a screenshot without them)
https://i.imgur.com/InQIswB.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/eA9PZmP.png

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Oh, I don't want Viera to be playable at all (I'd much prefer Lupin, which already exist). I'm just saying that replacing their rabbit feet with 'human feet' is just taking away the only unique thing about them (and will also most likely make them slightly shorter).

Also, to the people saying 'just make them not wear shoes,' would you really be okay with that? Some leg gear just do not look good without proper shoes on. Imagine a Viera wearing this, but without the foot gear (too lazy to get a screenshot without them)
https://i.imgur.com/InQIswB.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/eA9PZmP.png

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Well sure, if you just remove the foot armor entirely, it would look weird, but that's why they could take a few spare moments to adapt the armor for their new race.

There seems to be this weird vibe that I get often in these forums that a game developer shouldn't have to put effort into things.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Well sure, if you just remove the foot armor entirely, it would look weird, but that's why they could take a few spare moments to adapt the armor for their new race.

There seems to be this weird vibe that I get often in these forums that a game developer shouldn't have to put effort into things.

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See if they had digitigrade legs then it would be an issue. It's half the reason they changed the Khajit and Argonians in TES because the ones from Morrowind couldn't wear shoes due to technical limitations and extra word for races that most didn't touch. However the Viera aren't like that, though it looks like they /might/ have toyed with the idea in one of the concepts for FF14. Just adjust the shoe designs to fit a higher heel and you're essentially good to go. Or make their feet longer and add claw points at the end, since from what I can see most Viera wear a heel anyways to give off the exaggerated look. They already have to give ear flaps to the Miqo'te for every hat design, I don't see why adding claws or a heel would be more challenging.

And I hate to keep bring up that art piece I linked before, but that's how they worked in Tactics Advance. Most of these have normal shoes.
https://static.zerochan.net/Viera.full.10963.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150426112426

^ That said, this example of slight digitigrade legs would be harder to work with but not impossible. It would require more modeling though.

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Originally Posted by Enla

They already have to give ear flaps to the Miqo'te for every hat design, I don't see why adding claws or a heel would be more challenging.

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Have they done anything for Au Ra horns, though? Pretty sure they clip through helmets and hoods, much like how tails clip through just about everything.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

There seems to be this weird vibe that I get often in these forums that a game developer shouldn't have to put effort into things.

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My argument is that developers should put effort into the things they design. They should redesign gear for the race so that everything looks right. My argument was aimed toward people who were fine with just making it so Viera didn't need to wear foot gear (at all. Like they implied bare foot, or just their default heels), so SE didn't have to redesign anything.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Have they done anything for Au Ra horns, though? Pretty sure they clip through helmets and hoods, much like how tails clip through just about everything.

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Nope, they still clip to all hell sadly. That said accounting for 8+ different horn styles is different from adding the same ear model to every hat and adding some claws to each boot. However I do want them to eventually fix horns... >>

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I don't think we should have a race from another game, what gets added should be appropriate to 14 and not something shoehorned in from another game.

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This is my biggest sentiment against having Viera incorporated into XIV as a playable race. I was going to ultimately not participate in this thread of rabid rabbit fans but these past few comments a couple pages back touched a particular nerve of mine:

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Return to Ivalice says hi.

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Also, this game was sort of built on ripping races from another game (hello to XI!).

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*the image of the XI races*

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First of all, I don't see the playable XIV races being similar to the XI races as them "ripping" nor shoehorning races. Rather, FFXI was their 1st Final Fantasy MMO (I believe) and bringing the old races and tweaking them a bit for XIV feels way more like making the XIV's races spiritual successors of XIbefore anything else; if not for trying to appeal to familiarity. That's why I feel like the original races (sans the Au Ra, naturally) get a "pass" from looking like their XI counterparts; both are MMOs of the same franchise/company.

I also don't consider anything where reusing models for monsters/beastmen to hold much weight, argument-wise. Monsters looking the same from older games in the franchise has always been a "thing." There's a big difference between using XI's crawler model and hand-picking an entire race from a different game and possibly defying lore (on both fronts) and immigrating them over.

Which brings me to my main reason why I don't find it particularly tasteful for them to be implementing any one race from XII like Viera, or Bangaa or their other rabbits Ivalice Moogles into XIV just because some fans always wanted to dress-up their very own "x" from Final Fantasy -whatever... I say let the devs design whatever they want to and feasibly can design (as a race) that can be called XIV's and not "they took (insert non-MMO Final Fantasy)'s race" because certain fans persistently pestered about it even though they were repeatedly told they can't disclose anything.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Which brings me to my main reason why I don't find it particularly tasteful for them to be implementing any one race from XII like Viera, or Bangaa or their other rabbits Ivalice Moogles into XIV just because some fans always wanted to dress-up their very own "x" from Final Fantasy -whatever... I say let the devs design whatever they want to and feasibly can design (as a race) that can be called XIV's and not "they took (insert non-MMO Final Fantasy)'s race" because certain fans persistently pestered about it even though they were repeatedly told they can't disclose anything.

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This game is all about fan-service and weird tie-ins that make very little sense. We've had Lightning, Rhapsodies, Shantotto, Yokai, Garo all the numerous costumes from previous FF titles, and probably plenty more items I'm missing. This is not a game that is working hard to keep outside influences from coming into its world. Viera is not that strange a leap given their history.

Now, if they want to create something completely different? Cool. More races are always fun. However, Viera are quite popular, and going back to that ol' fan-service thing, it's a safe move. Concept art has been floating around for 2 years now. They could have just kept that to themselves if they didn't want fans to speculate and get all pestery.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Have they done anything for Au Ra horns, though? Pretty sure they clip through helmets and hoods, much like how tails clip through just about everything.

My argument is that developers should put effort into the things they design. They should redesign gear for the race so that everything looks right. My argument was aimed toward people who were fine with just making it so Viera didn't need to wear foot gear (at all. Like they implied bare foot, or just their default heels), so SE didn't have to redesign anything.

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And I apologize - I was reading your comment from the wrong side it seems. D: Their track-record when it comes to the unique racial features (tails, ears, horns) leaves much to be desired. I'd like to think they would put some effort into the feet though as that is one of their more distinctive traits.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

This game is all about fan-service and weird tie-ins that make very little sense. We've had Lightning, Rhapsodies, Shantotto, Yokai, Garo all the numerous costumes from previous FF titles, and probably plenty more items I'm missing. This is not a game that is working hard to keep outside influences from coming into its world. Viera is not that strange a leap given their history.

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There's a very big difference between everything you just described and what would making Viera a playable race would amount to. It's no secret that this game employs frequent cameo-appearances, brief collaborations/cross-overs and homages; fun little things like that aren't super-impactful and most are even temporary. Those are very different from grabbing a race from a different game and going "okay, this is going to be a new permanent fixture around here now." There's fanservice and then there's flat-out pandering.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Well sure, if you just remove the foot armor entirely, it would look weird, but that's why they could take a few spare moments to adapt the armor for their new race.

There seems to be this weird vibe that I get often in these forums that a game developer shouldn't have to put effort into things.

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Taking a few minutes to change every single piece of foot armor in game? Let's be realistic.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I know I shouldn't be too excited over his response, but I really can't help it lol
If there's an obvious lack of viera in the next part of the Ivalice raid, the dev team may be planning something special by not showing them yet.

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In the case we are actually getting Vieras, I had imagined we wouldn't see them until the last part, since I thought SE might want to display them in the Fanfests first. But who knows. Aaaah, I don't think I can wait more than a year for the next Fanfests dfgdfgfdgh. I've had my possible Viera character in mind from before HW was released, now I'm too eager! (>_<)

I'm getting all Excited seeing these Viera designs! Fingers crossed cause I think people are looking forward to it.

I know that we will get a new race for next expansion what we don't know which one it's gonna be and to be honest I don't see a much fitting race than Viera.

And regarding footwear just give them an ankle-bracelet. End of the problems lol

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Originally Posted by Mature

I know that we will get a new race for next expansion what we don't know which one it's gonna be and to be honest I don't see a much fitting race than Viera.

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Where did the devs state we will be getting a race next expansion?

Rabbits don't have digitigrade feet, they are plantigrade like humans. Cats are digitigrade but the Miqote have normal feet, there is no reason to frankenstein a rabbit based race with features of a totally different animal type.

They are often depicted wearing heels because they aren't digitigrade, if they were then they wouldn't need or have heels. They probably wear heels because they have goofy big rabbit feet or because they're a race of fashionistas.

In the art without heels they are shown to naturally have long flat feet. They also have beastial hands with long fingers and nails. An often overlooked trait is that their lower and upper body are disproportioned, a larger lower body giving the appearance of wide set hips and small torso. This could be a subtle distinctive feature too like how Au Ra's have their weird spine. They can look very unique based on the old games.

I hope they also add Green Mage as well as Dancer.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...agreenmage.jpg

Games with Viera...
FF Tactics Advance
FFXII
FF Tactics A2
FFXII Revenant Wings
FF Tactics S
Puzzle & Dragons

Only in one game are they like Fran and only Fran is really like Fran. I don't think they should base a race on a single character.



tl;dr viera aren't digitigrade, no reason to make them digitigrade now

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

Only in one game are they like Fran and only Fran is really like Fran. I don't think they should base a race on a single character.

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Fran is perfection. Id be ok with that >.>

I love the body type for viera the most from XII. But I could accept the other forms if that's what it takes to get viera in the game.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Stuff I wanted to say

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Thank you Cidel for saying what I wanted to but couldn't articulate :)

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

Where did the devs state we will be getting a race next expansion?

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It's just common sense tbh. They can't go on over 2 expansion without a new race. They need to keep hype going. Would be a disappointment if they don't add a new one. Knowing that a lot of people are already requesting new races.

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Originally Posted by Mature

It's just common sense tbh. They can't go on over 2 expansion without a new race. They need to keep hype going. Would be a disappointment if they don't add a new one. Knowing that a lot of people are already requesting new races.

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They can, the game doesn't need a new race

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

They can, the game doesn't need a new race

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It's not much about if the game doesn't "need" one, It's more about from a business and target point of view. $$$

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Originally Posted by Mature

It's not much about if the game doesn't "need" one, It's more about from a business and target point of view. $$$

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THEM FANTASIA SALES

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

Rabbits don't have digitigrade feet, they are plantigrade like humans. Cats are digitigrade but the Miqote have normal feet, there is no reason to frankenstein a rabbit based race with features of a totally different animal type.

They are often depicted wearing heels because they aren't digitigrade, if they were then they wouldn't need or have heels. They probably wear heels because they have goofy big rabbit feet or because they're a race of fashionistas.

In the art without heels they are shown to naturally have long flat feet. They also have beastial hands with long fingers and nails. An often overlooked trait is that their lower and upper body are disproportioned, a larger lower body giving the appearance of wide set hips and small torso. This could be a subtle distinctive feature too like how Au Ra's have their weird spine. They can look very unique based on the old games.

I hope they also add Green Mage as well as Dancer.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...agreenmage.jpg

Games with Viera...
FF Tactics Advance
FFXII
FF Tactics A2
FFXII Revenant Wings
FF Tactics S
Puzzle & Dragons

Only in one game are they like Fran and only Fran is really like Fran. I don't think they should base a race on a single character.



tl;dr viera aren't digitigrade, no reason to make them digitigrade now

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Good point! I'm really not too familiar with any FF titles outside of XI and XIV, and hadn't realized they crossed so many titles. I mainly know Viera as Fran. Also, I love a good pear-shape! I'm down with a pear-shaped flat-footer.

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Originally Posted by Mature

It's not much about if the game doesn't "need" one, It's more about from a business and target point of view. $$$

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Lotta things people say that if they did would make them more money, FP is currently bolstered with one such topic, doesn't guarantee they will do it.