Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

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10-12-2018, 11:45 PM
Vidu

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Exactly.

Not the way I see it. I said that a tank who automatically replies with a "heals????????" is automatically putting all the blame on the healer (whether they are right or wrong, that's a different story), and that that comment will often not be welcomed by the other side (for obvious reasons) we agree on that one right? Like I don't write 10 question marks all while thinking I may have had part of responsibility there?

Depending on when and how you do it, it can be naturally perceived as a hostile reaction in the heat of the moment.

I hope that "Exactly" doesnt only mean you agree with me presenting only one version of a possible story, but also with you only presenting one version of the possible story...

That aside: So we can agree that telling a healer who let the tank (or anyone else for that matter) die, when the tank (or anyone else) did everything in their power to prevent that from happening "You need to heal me" or "Please heal me" isnt harassment? Because when I die to the autoattack after a tankbuster for which I had sentinel, schiltron and reprisal up, I'll do that.
10-12-2018, 11:46 PM
Penthea

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Is that the implication, or your interpretation? Assuming the best of hypothetical Tank Man here, there is no implication and it's an explicit "where was the healing?"

Well that's basically what I'm saying. That particular phrasing is highlighting only one aspect of the fight, and therefore intending to put the blame on the healer.

As an aside the times I usually see stuff like "heals????" is often from tanks who pulls loads of packs and use no defensive cds. In general when I see decent tanks who don't get enough healing for multi-pack pulls they just say nothing and simply pull less packs at a time.
10-12-2018, 11:47 PM
Gallus

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Originally Posted by Vidu

within realistic, basic gameplay-expectations.

That line is going to differ significantly from one player to another. Duty Finder content is easy to the point I've seen some lvl 70 dungeons be soloed by a PLD, it shouldn't generally put too much stress or pressure on people, even if there is someone underperforming. There is never going to be a situation where all 4 players are contributing exactly the same.
10-12-2018, 11:55 PM
Sigma-Astra

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Yeah let's keep endlessly arguing over the semantics over and over again, because that's what you do in the 50% of the content of your posts.

People wouldn't keep arguing semantics over and over with you if you stopped changing the story and crutch of your argument every time someone debunks it and you fumble to come up with another excuse that still treads water.

You've shifted the goal posts so many times that you'd make a great Blitzball AI goalie in FFX at this point.
10-12-2018, 11:56 PM
Liam_Harper

"Heals????" basically states you feel you died because you weren't healed. So you put full responsibility for the death on the healer.

That said, to a degree I can understand it. There's nothing worse as a tank than dying, despite trying everything you can and the party assumes you stood in something or derped on cd's and gives you the tolerant "let's try again" attitude or even worse a "lol tank". So you place the blame automatically where you feel it's deserved, before the assumptions can be made. But then you don't know exactly what happened and no healer would like unfair blame thrown at them instantly. Like in the same way if a dps died to an add while you were mitigating an important mechanic or your mouse died and they instantly threw "tank????" at you, you might not like it. So perhaps a "what happened?" could work better.

But hardly the worst thing to say, especially if your overall attitude is friendly enough. Not sure why there's multiple pages over this.
10-12-2018, 11:58 PM
Dualgunner

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Well that's basically what I'm saying. That particular phrasing is highlighting only one aspect of the fight, and therefore intending to put the blame on the healer.

As an aside the times I usually see stuff like "heals????" is often from tanks who pulls loads of packs and use no defensive cds. In general when I see decent tanks who don't get enough healing for multi-pack pulls they just say nothing and simply pull less packs at a time.

I mean, it's also worth noting that it's highlighting the most important part of the fight to the tank--incoming heals.
10-13-2018, 12:00 AM
Penthea

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I mean, it's also worth noting that it's highlighting the most important part of the fight to the tank--incoming heals.

Okay but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with this? No one is arguing against this.
10-13-2018, 12:02 AM
Penthea

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

and they instantly threw "tank????" at you, you might not like it. So perhaps a "what happened?" could work better.

I rarely see "tank???" and I don't think I have ever seen "dps???"
10-13-2018, 12:04 AM
Gallus

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

If you don't want people potentially taking offense, don't insult an entire community because you dislike a couple raiders. It would be no less ignorant and foolhardy of me to say "Casuals suck at the game."

I haven't insulted an entire community, however, how you interpret things is completely out of my hand. Same goes for assuming I dislike raiders (not once, twice), when I haven't even talked about raiders at all.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

When you make remarks like "You're allowed to be polite," this is you deeming yourself the authority of what is and isn't polite. Your personal values and qualifies are not universal. What you deem impolite or "toxic," others won't. If it were merely an opinion, you wouldn't keep insisting your idea of harassment is harassment.

SE's the one that's going to decide that in the context of this game. Nobody's going to ban someone for supposedly underperforming on a dungeon, but depending on how people "express their annoyance" (I believe that's how you presented it) SE might very well take action against them.
10-13-2018, 12:05 AM
Dualgunner

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Okay but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with this? No one is arguing against this.

That you're assuming the worst out of a word and three punctuation marks, and it's silly that you're trying to pass off your interpretation of the word as the hidden implied jab at healers.

Tank dies from lack of heals. Best person to ask about that is the healer.

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