Best Gear in Coil needs to end

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Originally Posted by sylent09

I thought it was just PvP materia?

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Nope, the restriction is on the gear itself.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Here is another option. Do PvP to rank 40 get ilvl 100 PvP gear penta meld it, this will make the gear better then unupgraded soldiery gear. But you have to do all that PvP to get rank 40.

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Almost positive that the melds in pvp gear only work in pvp. These melds do nothing in PvE to my knowledge. PvP gear also dedicates a secondary stat to morale, which also useless in PvE. So i100 PvP gear is explicitly weaker than i100 weathered gear in all cases for anything outside of PvP.

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Originally Posted by sylent09

I thought it was just PvP materia?

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PVP gear has this in its tooltip:
Cannot equip if PvP rank is below 22. Materia effects active during PvP only.

This is for i90 Direwolf Thighboots of Healing, which some Scholars consider BiS for 2.1, only because it's the only i90 healing boots in the game which has Crit as its secondary stat. Doesn't say that it's limited specifically to PVP materia.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Almost positive that the melds in pvp gear only work in pvp. These melds do nothing in PvE to my knowledge. PvP gear also dedicates a secondary stat to morale, which also useless in PvE. So i100 PvP gear is explicitly weaker than i100 weathered gear in all cases for anything outside of PvP.

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Yea i forget that the restriction was for all materia not just the pvp one so yea it won't work

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

There's a lot more to this thread than the first page. Awrini said he sees "a lot" of people saying they want gear to be handed to them. He said nothing about the first page. You reading and comprehension skills are deplorable. It's clear he can see what I see which is a lot of casuals complaining that gear isn't handed to them.

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I see more "elitists" worried about threats to their special snowflakeness than anyone explicitly asking for handouts. But you see what you want to see.

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

They can use all the clever wording they want to try and avoid looking like fools but it's clear what some of the people in this thread are saying; they want it to be easier to obtain gear.
But I see you are one who requires evidence. Here's and example:

You can see the other post he made in reply to me but he isn't good enough to clear coil. There are more people like this in this thread(don't ask me to find them all) who for some reason have such a strong opinion regarding coil loot despite the fact they can't do coil. It's obvious they want an easier method of obtaining the best gear. Don't even tell me they are saying they want another raid like coil. LOLOLOL Don't insult my intelligence.

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Coil has explicit organizational challenges due to the lockout. This doesn't have anything to do with difficulty. However, the difficulty does exacerbate those organizational challenges because you not only have to find people that play when you do, aren't playing with anyone else in coil, but also have a minimum level of gear and have the skill level to have a good chance at clearing that content. Some people choose not to deal with that. It is VERY possible for people to want to have access to similar levels of gear, that is also challenging to obtain, without having to go through the hassle of doing coil on a regular basis.

There are ALSO (the OP for instance) who do coil, then get done with coil and want ways (or more ways) to improve their gear during the times they're not in coil. Because they may have times when they're available to play when the rest of their static is not available.

And there even are those who think that limiting the gear separation between those who are doing coil, and those who are not doing coil may be a good thing for the game and are discussing that. 2.0 set a precedent where everybody had access to high level gear regardless of whether they wanted to raid consistently or not. This did have some benefits to the game. There was still some discrimination outside of coil that was based on whether or not you knew fights and had cleared it(which is understandable), but the gear based elitism was largely reduced or eliminated. It also allowed coil groups a much easier time finding subs if a member was out for the week, because they had a greater pool of geared players to pull from. And yes, while these particular concerns do involve giving people easier access to better gear, it's not about "they have it, I want it" which is what you seem to imply is the motivation for the majority of the people in this thread.

And even for the poor saps that ARE envious of your gear. It's no more sad than how butt hurt you are that nobody has the proper respect for your accomplishments in game. I suppose that goes hand in hand with your inability to separate the game from real life.

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

Well it's a pretty nice incentive for upgrading the gear. The weapons change appearance when you upgrade them so it would be pretty lame if the armor didn't.

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Seriously?

You reading and comprehension skills are deplorable.

I'm going to revisit this topic because of all the desire for another set of difficult content that isn't coil or lol trial. Again I'm all for this I would love to see multiple avenues to gain comperable gear. But the tradeoff is for more content to be developed for any given patch means more time needed in between patches. So personally I just don't see this much of a possibility so long as SE keeps up with there current design plan of coil - CT - coil - CT. Well at least not until the first expansion. Please look forward to it.

PS: WTB new class/job no later than 2.4 please. *begs*

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

I see more "elitists" worried about threats to their special snowflakeness than anyone explicitly asking for handouts. But you see what you want to see.

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Pretty much this. The noise coming out of that camp is far louder than anyone crying for entitlement, if they even exist in this thread. I don't see anyone moaning for easier i110, all I see is people who are being accused of it. The general discussion about alternate content was quite constructive until it got de-railed into a class war by someone who thinks he's better than everyone else.

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Originally Posted by DosonTheIrate

The playerbase deserves to have mud slung at it because the level of entitlement(a word I hate using) on display here is quite disgusting.

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Without question, the highest level of entitlement in this thread is that you think your posts are worth reading. You've pretty much based all your pointless attacks on Ad Hominem arguments, and I suspect you're just raging on me in particular because I implied you weren't special.

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Without question, the highest level of entitlement in this thread is that you think your posts are worth reading. You've pretty much based all your pointless attacks on Ad Hominem arguments, and I suspect you're just raging on me in particular because I implied you weren't special.

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Pot meet kettle.

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Pot meet kettle.

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Last I checked I wasn't pulling baseless accusations out of thin air and slandering large portions of the playerbase without justification. Are you seriously siding with him and endorsing that behavior?

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Originally Posted by blowfin

Last I checked I wasn't pulling baseless accusations out of thin air and slandering large portions of the playerbase without justification. Are you seriously siding with him and endorsing that behavior?

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No actually I was referring to your need to drag this back off topic just to further the pissing contest you seem engaged in.

Stop trying to play victim when you're equally guilty.