A summary of healer issues

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

They made bare minimum effort with the entire role after years of feedback and just look at Fluid Aura if you want proof.

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I mean, just look at the history of WHM spells being taken away and given back, slightly tweaked or combined together, as "new spells" expanisons later for that.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

I mean, just look at the history of WHM spells being taken away and given back, slightly tweaked or combined together, as "new spells" expanisons later for that.

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Just to list them off:

Aero III: Removed in 5.0
Cleric Stance: Had its effect changed and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Divine Seal: Renamed Largesse and turned into a Role Action in 4.0, then removed in 5.0
Esuna: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (SCH lost Leeches and AST lost Exalted Detriment)
Protect: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Repose: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0
Shroud of Saints: Renamed Lucid Dreaming and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (AST lost Luminiferious Aether)
Stoneskin: Turned into Divine Benison in 4.0
Stoneskin II: Removed in 4.0

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

This is completely apples to oranges.

A filler combo isn't the same thing as pressing a single button 12 times.

A maintenance combo isn't the same thing as pressing a button ONCE every 30s.

War's gauge spender isn't comparable at all to the single button press of Misery. You can Misery once every 90s, vs the plethora of times a Warrior can fell cleave in that time frame.

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You're right. The White Mage's takes more thought to optimize. (But I'm assuming that wasn't the argument you were trying to make.)

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Just to list them off:

Aero III: Removed in 5.0
Cleric Stance: Had its effect changed and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Divine Seal: Renamed Largesse and turned into a Role Action in 4.0, then removed in 5.0
Esuna: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (SCH lost Leeches and AST lost Exalted Detriment)
Protect: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Repose: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0
Shroud of Saints: Renamed Lucid Dreaming and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (AST lost Luminiferious Aether)
Stoneskin: Turned into Divine Benison in 4.0
Stoneskin II: Removed in 4.0

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Missed one.

And then Largesse merged with Protect and became Temperance

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Missed one.

And then Largesse merged with Protect and became Temperance

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I had thought about mentioning Temperance but decided not to because Protect lasts longer (30 minutes) and couldn't remember how much damage it actually mitigated (the tool tips never said).

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I had thought about mentioning Temperance but decided not to because Protect lasts longer (30 minutes) and couldn't remember how much damage it actually mitigated (the tool tips never said).

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Protect averaged about 2% reduction on non-tanks and ~4% on tanks.

This is off tangent but does anyone remember those weird moments when people would get themselves killed, accept your revive, and then complain that you didnt immediately reapply protect? Like clearly it didn't stop them from dying in the first place. It just looked and sounded like a big deal but the actual mitigation was laughable. Im so glad it's gone although I would have preffered a version more powerful instead.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

This is off tangent but does anyone remember those weird moments when people would get themselves killed, accept your revive, and then complain that you didnt immediately reapply protect? Like clearly it didn't stop them from dying in the first place. It just looked and sounded like a big deal but the actual mitigation was laughable. Im so glad it's gone although I would have preffered a version more powerful instead.

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I was petty enough to keep clicking mine off at times.

While I don't wish to give anyone any false hope, the pattern formed by the benchmark water barrier is typically the sort they associate with protect. Who knows - Maybe it'll be targeted % mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You're right. The White Mage's takes more thought to optimize. (But I'm assuming that wasn't the argument you were trying to make.)

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the argument was white mage is more mechanically dull to play than warrior ^^ hard to optimize != fun to play

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Originally Posted by AikenDrum

the argument was white mage is more mechanically dull to play than warrior ^^ hard to optimize != fun to play

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And static 123s are no less dull than 111.