SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

[B]Patch 1.18 was hyped so much as the patch that would save the game but it looks like it was a massive disaster from every aspect. All i see is threads that complain about it everywhere and these are not just the trolls.

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You' have quite the selective reading my feriend.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-1.18-ROCKS%21

Notice the 170+ likes?

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Originally Posted by Nero

So many people with this view is alarming? Well yeah.. it should ring a bell that you are wrong maybe about how you think exploiting is the way to go? All the time in the World? Seriously listen.. You need 4 Hours to get 100k SP in a Combatclass.. if i would have all the time in the World i would level 20 Hours a day and not just 4 and would have everything at 50. Get real please.

6 Hours for a rankup pre-patch? i lol'd.. You are seriously doing something wrong. If you are not able to do some simple Math about how much SP you can get now a hour, i really cant help you. If it took you 6 Hours to burn 8 leves.. i really really cant help you and dont want to.

And yes i go out and grind.. i explore the Areas of the Game and will have Fun. Im sorry for all those lazy people who cant exploit anymore.. im SOOOO sorry for you. Im getting sarcastic here... <_<

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Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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stop being such a negative nannygoat

The point is that the game's usual means of SP gains have been reduced, and we're all getting our panties in a bunch over it. It's not fun when you're rank 48, and so close to rank 49, and the gusher has been turned off.

Instead of a brisk jog towards your goal (or for those with very limited amounts of time, sprinting), you're being forced to crawl towards it.

I'm getting tired of the Japanese developers thinking that adding limitations equals gameplay/progression.

I bet Tanaka had a role in limiting the SP and adding these cooldown timers for Behest (that's the only thing that gives decent SP now!). As a rank 21 Conjurer, it was VERY painful trying to rank up solo on Leves - I didn't even get half a level bar on three leves!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Leves are not a constant source of SP.

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And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.

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I ranked mainly on behest.

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And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.

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Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

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The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No, differently from people that play Final Forum XIV like you, I tend to sleep, and have a job :D



Nope. ONE way of ranking up has been lowered in order to even out the ranking field. That doesn't equated to "nerfing ranking up". The fact that that one happened to be your personal favourite (and by ranking up solely that way you were already doing it wrong) has no bearing to the fact that most other ways of leveling are pretty much the same and a LOT of SP has been added to activities that had one and party grinding has been considerably improved due to the addition of beastmen camps.

Thus, you're the one that's falsely accusing someone of laying. Guess that makes you the liar.

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For the last time (read carefully), Behest was the most efficient way of ranking up, that's why it was the main one I used. As such it was the standard of peak SP gain. The only way Yoshi would have kept his word would have been adding or enhancing the other ways to gain SP so that they would provide the same amount of SP/hour post-patch that Behest used to provide pre-patch.

None of the ways added or changed post-patch provide anything close to the amount of SP/hour Behest gave. And so he lied. I can't possibly explain it any simpler than that.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Leves are not a constant source of SP. I ranked mainly on behest. Forget about specific hours if it makes you happy. Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch? Yes. Does this mean that ranking up is now slower? Yes. Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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Bro, you still doing this? you really only played literary a day of this patch and your complaining about sp you never searched for, all your complaining about is Leves at this point or at least in most of your post, You ignore the fact that I found stuff that has good source of sp and your still complaining on here... I think the forum Community brainwashed you... =(.

Go to the places I suggested and even dungeons you will have your sp gain .....

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's why you might want to try doing something ELSE than behest, considering that there are a TON of ways of ranking, and encouraging people to mindlessly do the same thing over and over for hours on end isn't exactly the true definition of quality game development.

Your equation Nerfing behest = nerfing ranking up simply doesn't hold water.

You're the one that refuses doing anything else, hence you're the one that's nerfing his own progression.



Because it is. Actually, considering all the new ways to rank up, it's improved.

removing focus from behest =\= nerfing ranking up.

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Actually, I think you're wrong. This is what it is like:

Pre-existing means of SP gain has been nerfed.

New means of gaining SP have been added.



This spells a VERY common modus operandi by the devs: Add something, something else gets taken away.

Seriously? Is that how they think? Duuuude, not even the West does that garbage.

If we're going to add more SP generation options, leave the other SP generation options alone. The idea is to encourage players to use them all equally, not discourage us from one or the other as a means of getting us to do the new SP options.

That's just pavlovian bullsh*t.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Yeah right.. only content in the Game are Failing Leve-links and Behest. lol

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I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....