What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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04-09-2022, 12:24 PM
PawPaw

It's unpopular here but I love Zenos. I've never seen as someone to be angry about, he was just a character who made me roll my eyes a lot and wanted to fight me. No more annoying than Alisae constantly trying to challenge me to shit she can't possibly win every five minutes. To me he's just pure fun and it's not really the character's fault that the writers couldn't figure out a damn thing to do with him. There was a ton of potential there with him being the Prince of Garlemald and Emet-Selch's great-grandson (with latent Ancient powers!!!)and a civil war happening that we never even got to see, but they just left it all to wither. If they brought him back and put him to good use I wouldn't complain one bit but I don't have the faith that they could pull that off at all so probably best he just stays asleep.

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Originally Posted by Brinne

Pfffft, I want more stories involving Zenos. May our bestie tag along with us on the most mundane and absurd of fetch quests and side activities, with the dulcet tones of Luke Allen-Gale shouting "HAVE YOU THE STRENGTH???" as he activates a Same-Plus combo in our Triple Triad matches and beyond.

LOL YES!! Zenos gang rise up! When they release that minion I'm gonna let that little goober follow me around all day and just watch him swiping at my ankles.
04-09-2022, 12:27 PM
Thaciscokidd

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Just curious on why they want more stories centered around Zenos, it would be his avatar but still i’m sure they’ll find some way to stick him back in.He’s beyond redundant, and i don’t see what’s so compelling about him to keep making stories with him and not characters that are way more interesting like some of the ancients.

Zenos is popular in japan. Famitsu(while not all encompassing) did a poll in March for the favorite 14 characters and Zenos made the top twenty overall.
04-09-2022, 12:30 PM
KizuyaKatogami

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

Zenos is popular in japan. Famitsu(while not all encompassing) did a poll in March for the favorite 14 characters and Zenos made the top twenty overall.

That’s surprising to me. I just find him dull personally, i see him as adding nothing to the story, he killed off and outlasted characters who had way more potential and depth to them, and in the end his storyline in ShB and EW is literally the exact same in SB, to just fight us. But we already did that. So why are we doing it again?
04-09-2022, 12:37 PM
IdowhatIwant

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Zenos said he wanted to die and even assuming he didn't quite literally "burn the candle of his life", it's stated that reaper avatars have a precedent for preying on their pact-bearers the moment their souls begin to wane, so I'm inclined to think he is actually dead and that the void shenanigans in the 6.1 trailer are linked to his avatar somehow.

That's neat and all, but shouldn't that be included in the MSQ if that is really important.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Just curious on why they want more stories centered around Zenos, it would be his avatar but still i’m sure they’ll find some way to stick him back in.He’s beyond redundant, and i don’t see what’s so compelling about him to keep making stories with him and not characters that are way more interesting like some of the ancients.

I hated Zenos redundancy until he came back at the end of endwalker and called me a loser for not killing Meteion yet. It finally gave me some sort of hope that this could be a interesting character.
04-09-2022, 12:40 PM
CrownySuccubus

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I hated Zenos redundancy until he came back at the end of endwalker and called me a loser for not killing Meteion yet. It finally gave me some sort of hope that this could be a interesting character.

LOL, yeah. When he said "I take it this is your prey. But what does it still live? Surely it is no match for you? I thought you above something so banal as despair." I took that personallhy. Never been so motivated to actually prove a villain right.
04-09-2022, 12:44 PM
Brinne

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

his storyline in ShB and EW is literally the exact same in SB, to just fight us. But we already did that. So why are we doing it again?

Lmao, hard disagree. Zenos is, like, the one character in EW who truly had a legitimate character development arc in EW. And it was great, weirdly touching (???), even, and I love him. Listen, the Scions may like me a lot, but ultimately it's because my actions align with their interests. Zenos, post-character development, has my back even if he and his interests don't give a shit about my current activities. In a lot of ways, Zenos is the one character who aligns perfectly with EW's attempted themes.

Bestie is the best bestie!
04-09-2022, 12:46 PM
PawPaw

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

That's neat and all, but shouldn't that be included in the MSQ if that is really important.

Exactly. Everything that could have made the character interesting in game was relegated to side stories locked behind books that are never in print and Q&A questions that just happen to get answered. If you hadn't done the RPR questline you wouldn't even know that about an avatar and the soul. They handled his character terribly. But I still love my best friend.

I still can't believe they just casually explained him having dreams of the Final Days as "because he's Emet-Selch's great-grandson..." People were out here thinking he'd been experimented on in the womb and all kinds of wild stuff. But they never even bothered to put that information in the game, just matter-of-factly "duh, he's related to an Ascian". Imagine if no one had asked that question? We may never have known.
04-09-2022, 12:54 PM
Thaciscokidd

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

That’s surprising to me. I just find him dull personally, i see him as adding nothing to the story, he killed off and outlasted characters who had way more potential and depth to them, and in the end his storyline in ShB and EW is literally the exact same in SB, to just fight us. But we already did that. So why are we doing it again?

I've(a Zenos fan) have always saw Zenos as the antithesis to the WoL. While the WoL fought for the betterment of all, Zenos fought for his own enjoyment. He was our Vegeta in all but name, we overcame him in Stormblood and every since then he was trying to get his win back.

I believe his story suffered from a lot of the buildup from the 5.x patches with little payoff in 6.0 til the very end when his speech was my favorite part of the whole story.... But I do worry that he's becoming 14's Seymour and if we do have to face his Reaper Avatar down the line is actually the Avatar and not the Avatar wearing a Zenos suit.
04-09-2022, 12:54 PM
KizuyaKatogami

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Originally Posted by Brinne

Lmao, hard disagree. Zenos is, like, the one character in EW who truly had a legitimate character development arc in EW. And it was great, weirdly touching (???), even, and I love him. Listen, the Scions may like me a lot, but ultimately it's because my actions align with their interests. Zenos, post-character development, has my back even if he and his interests don't give a shit about my current activities. In a lot of ways, Zenos is the one character who aligns perfectly with EW's attempted themes.

Bestie is the best bestie!

I didn’t really notice it much tbh. Like people say his whole waiting to fight us until after we beat meteion was development but…i feel like that’s just him not being dumb? Can’t fight us if Meteion destroys the planet. He just seemed the same ole wants to fight us to fight us cuz that’s all he likes. I didn’t see what it added to the story at all. He also caused the destruction of garlemald which had far more interesting people than him so :p To each their own though.

I guess also its just, what was the point of bringing him back? If it was gonna be the same ole thing. I wish i had the option to turn down his fight at the end of EW tbh lol. Why give him what he doesnt deserve.
04-09-2022, 12:56 PM
Kaurhz

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Just curious on why they want more stories centered around Zenos, it would be his avatar but still i’m sure they’ll find some way to stick him back in.He’s beyond redundant, and i don’t see what’s so compelling about him to keep making stories with him and not characters that are way more interesting like some of the ancients.

Zenos is that one little cockroach that just doesn't seem to go away no matter how hard you try.

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